I just want a viable magic pen item that isnt void staff

Rozair·Nov 29, 2016·2 votes·1,112 views

armor pen has so many options but magic pen doesnt

25 Comments

EedatNov 29, 20164 votes

item 3020 item 3151 item 3135 item 3001 vs item 3036 item 3033 item 3142 item 3147 item 3071

At least magic pen doesnt suck ass like lethality

RozairNov 29, 20162 votes

item 3071 item 3033 item 3036 are really good. and lethality items stack together so you need them all for them to work efficiently.

EedatNov 29, 20164 votes

lol that not how lethality works. Lethality is a straight up nerfed form of flat armor pen. Period. There is no extra bonuses for stacking them. You are also neglecting that the item 3035 items only work against BONUS armor which means they straight up suck against squishy targets. item 3135 is % TOTAL magic resist which means it works against base AND bonus magic resist.

I dont know why you're complaining. Magic pen is straight up better than armor pen right now lmao

GodhriNov 29, 20161 votes

He's not complaining about the quality of Magic pen. Did you even read his thread post? He just wants variety which I do not think is too much to ask either. Right now, most mages tend to build virtually the same path while melee AD champs probably have the most variety in terms of build paths.

I don't think it is necessary to add variety, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to see.

EedatNov 29, 20163 votes

He clearly said "armor pen has so many options but magic pen doesnt" when in fact the options are roughly the same.

But then again this is the guy who said "Abyssal isn't magic pen. Never has been."

GodhriNov 29, 20161 votes

Because it never has been? It's clearly classified as different stats. Yes, end result is the same, but the stats are different.

Yes, you are correct in regurgitating what he clearly stated and proving that you are off-topic. Nothing in what you quoted suggests that he was saying that magic pen quality is lacking in comparison to armor pen.

Do you tunnel vision this much always?

EedatNov 29, 20163 votes

I'm the one tunneling? He says he wants viable magic pen items that arent item 3135 . You're going to sit here and tell me item 3020 aren't a viable item?

He then goes on to complain about how many options there are for Armor pen when in fact its roughly the same.

It's clearly classified as different stats. Yes, end result is the same, but the stats are different.

alright then, by your definition item 3071 isnt an armor pen item either lmao

GodhriNov 29, 20161 votes

I'm done with the internet for the day. Discussing this with you is like talking to an aluminum foil wrapped brick wall reflecting sunlight.

Enjoy your day sir. I hope your tunnel vision gets you far in life.

EedatNov 29, 20162 votes

Just so you now puling some bullshit "bigger man" spiel while simultaneously dropping insults on the way out doesnt make you any less wrong.

And you are that, 100% flat out wrong :)

dunder killNov 29, 20163 votes

0/10 troll. item 3001 clearly was a magic pen item

RozairNov 30, 20161 votes

you mean void staff is better than armor pen. Read the title of the post lmao. Im saying add lethality AP items. Also yes lethality does stack because of the passives on item 3147 . Lethality was an awesome idea by Riot, granted it may not be tuned the way everyone likes but it does give more of a counter to other champions than flat armor pen used to as well as being a good idea. Lethality is actually better at level 18 than flat armor pen was. Its an early game nerf and a late game buff.

EedatNov 30, 20161 votes

No it doesn't lol you don't know what you're talking about. Lethality functions exactly the same as flat armor pen but nerfed. 20 lethality is exactly the same as 20 flat armor pen except you only get the full 20 if your attacking a level 18 target. At any other level it is literally just a nerfed form of flat armor pen. Lethality is a straight up, undeniable nerf of flat armor pen. It's not even trading early game power for better scaling. It's just straight up nerfed with absolutely zero compensation

Mr Broken WingsNov 29, 20162 votes

a lot of mages have a 55 % winrate right now, lets give them better itemization, sounds like a great idea

WeatheredNov 29, 20161 votes

item 3151 item 3001

RozairNov 29, 20161 votes

i said viable item 3151 is pretty useless atm and item 3001 can give anywhere from 1 magic pen to 100 so theres no real way to measure it. Also if there are going to be items like then there should be more items like it that give % magic pen.

look at how leatality works or giant slayer item 3034

GodhriNov 29, 20161 votes

Abyssal isn't magic pen. Never has been. It reduced MR, but that's different from magic pen which goes through MR. It is even less so a magic pen item now that it boosts magic damage instead of reducing MR.

Liandrys is pretty much the only magic pen item.

The problem with introducing a larger variety of magic pen items is that they have to either reduce magic pen on all current items containing magic pen or make magic pen a unique passive on certain/most magic pen items to avoid it becoming too powerful.

RozairNov 29, 20161 votes

or tac it onto items that mages wouldnt tend to normally use. If they made lethality for mages they would have to build other lethality items. I like how lethality works and grows on itself.

EedatNov 29, 20162 votes

lol it was better than flat magic pen. It lowered the targets MR for ALL your team as opposed to just yourself. New abyssal pretty much mimics exactly what the old one did except its less oppressive vs squishies and better against tanks

GodhriNov 29, 20162 votes

That's besides the point.

EedatNov 29, 20162 votes

No it's not lol

GodhriNov 29, 20161 votes

Yea sure buddy. :) Good luck with that. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

WeatheredNov 29, 20161 votes

They result in the same end result and can be equated mathematically. Same goes for Lethality, %APEN, Armor reduction, etc being able to be equated to a universal number of damage increase for AD.