There is nothing wrong with CoTC, Poppy or other 'strong' tanks

DeusVult·Jan 18, 2017·6 votes·954 views

Game times are even shorter now, with average games ending at 25 minutes.

Tanks have incredible mid games, what with they stack health and armor before the enemy has the items to deal with them.

ADCs have bad mid games, so they cant deal with tanks who have a + when they only have + or +

if ADCs, assassins or mages picked up penetration items such as earlier, such as as a second item, then they could deal with "the unkillable tanks"

TL-DR : Tanks are strong right now because shorter game times increase the amount of time they spend at their power spikes compared to their counters, and the classes that counter them refuse to change their itemization pattern to adapt to this. And I'm ready for the downvotes for the people mad at only reading the title

13 Comments

ForgiveColourJan 18, 20173 votes

Delusion at its finest

venomous frostJan 18, 20172 votes

Then why is there no maokai, nautilus, sejuani,... EVERY SINGLE GAME

you're delusional if you think poppy isn't busted

RalanrJan 18, 20172 votes

Poppy is very strong. It's pretty damn obvious now. She's also a whole lot cheaper than other tanks (being 450 IP)

Cloud273Jan 18, 20171 votes

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Poppy is very strong. It's pretty damn obvious now. She's also a whole lot cheaper than other tanks (being 450 IP)

So basically what you're saying is Poppy is popular because she's a cheap champion. You haven't exactly proven why she's "strong".

RalanrJan 18, 20172 votes

Oh no, I said she's common because you can get her easily.

The boards bitching will tell you why she's strong.

LovelleJan 18, 20171 votes

I'm glad you agree.

RexSaurJan 18, 20172 votes

Except LW items are trash by themselfes (and even void staff).

No, you cant rush LDR because they have a tank and "counter" them, this literally gimps you rather than help, this is low elo mentality who doesnt understand the game.

LordGeovanniJan 19, 20171 votes

it lowers your damage out put versus other people but increases it versus a tank. adcs want the best of both worlds while being safe in the back of their team and ranged so they can deal damage before melees even in range to threaten them. That is fucked up they believe to do anything they all have to be ezreal spamming low damage low cooldown low mana cost

RalanrJan 18, 20171 votes

There's something wrong with Poppy, but nothing wrong with tanks hitting their powerspike in a fast meta.

JackMcSnipeyzJan 18, 20171 votes

No, your logic is flawed and ill explain why: ADC itemization is heavily dependent on other items, they synergize much harder which is why they reach their peak late game.

Lets take your advice and buy lord dominik's mid game which is 2nd or 3rd item (if ahed). So now you have IE and lord dominiks, 2 items that have no synergy with each other, you're missing on: Attack speed (crucial for almost any adc), crit chance, life steal (if your 2nd is BT or BotrK) and a bunch of raw AD. All that for 45% bonus armor pen and a (pretty good) passive against health stacking enemies. This simply isnt worth it, you'll just lose all pressure or kill potential because you have 2 items that dont work off each other and have very lacklaster stats. Tanks wont be afraid of you because you have no lifesteal to survive their on going rotations, other adc and mages just defeat you with better stats.

There's a reason armor pen items are usually the last items carries buy, they need to have damage for the pendtration stat to have meaning.

Edit: im not saying ADC SHOULD be dealing with tanks mid game, but i also thinks tanks like poppy deal too much damage for how tank they get

PPPPPPPPPPPP270Jan 18, 20171 votes

Once sandbox mode comes out maybe it will be very easy to see what is the optimal damage build against all kinds of targets.

Something about a penetration item that early seems like you will actually lose damage.

HateDaddyJan 18, 20171 votes

Ok, you ignored 35% (I don't know the percentages off the top of my head but it doesn't change much) my bonus armor or total MR with your 150 AP or 170 AD - congrats on still tickling me because your total damage is still way too low for the penetration to matter much.

Percentage penetration is a stat that multiplicatively scales it's respective stats (AD with AS and Crit and AP with total AP) but on their own, they aren't very good. You can get away with 3rd item void staff as a mage since they're typically more burst oriented but even then, not every mage can do that.

LordGeovanniJan 19, 20171 votes

item 3031 item 3086 looks far better that item 3068 item 1011 especially when your jungler is also getting item 1413 and your damage is literally lost. that could cause you to lose farm it hurts your farming as much as it helps its really a say of luck seeing as tanks dont build ad and at least until 4th-6th item and minions attack their closest enemy minion in bulk it is hard to farm as them because they lack damage. some have aoe skills but most are on low damage and or long cooldown skils with high mana costs while tanks have lower mana pools and mana regen than most.