Fleet footwork and his dash let's him auto people for eternity on the way back to your tower :
When he buys two swords he can also insta gib any enemy jungler too. There's no real counterplay to this (even if you flash)
Beatrice falls5 votesRemove his bs W
TheSingularity3 votesAlong with his stupid jg knock back.
Ifhe needs it that bad to jungle then he shouldn't be a jungler. The bloody thing allows flawless healthy clears. Would love to have that much HP at the end of a tanks' clear
N other marksman gets this treatment, neither should graves
Verxint4 votesI remember the old days when successful ganks were about landing cc on overextended enemies, not bursting them next to their tower
Daddy Ants4 votesGraves is too powerful full stop.
Fullmetallic3 votesHe can't really get 3 or more autoes without red buff. If you want to talk early ganks, try Camille or Warwick.
Nhifu2 votesHe can't really get 3 or more autoes without red buff. If you want to talk early ganks, try Camille or Warwick.
Warwick doesn't have a dash, relies on flash fear (graves doesn't) Camille has a dash and a slow but is melee
And in cases where Warwick does gank.. he can't reposition to avoid the enemy jungler (graves LOL) Also keep in mind Graves clear speed is insane after buying a few AD items (now without the need of burning gold into skirmishers) he can comfortable outduel other junglers and still clear very fast with two swords, while other junglers that decide to go Tiamat or build into their first jungle item are behind.
AP jungler - jungle item x2, amplifying tomb Other junglers - jungle item x2, sword maybe Graves - most likely two swords and boots at this point with an even better reliable clear of wraith camps (Junglers aren't competitive if they can't clear wraiths fast)
ONLY PLAY TO WIN2 voteswarwick does* have a dash
Dracocrash1 votesWarwick doesn't have a dash, relies on flash fear (graves doesn't) Camille has a dash and a slow but is melee
And in cases where Warwick does gank.. he can't reposition to avoid the enemy jungler (graves LOL) Also keep in mind Graves clear speed is insane after buying a few AD items (now without the need of burning gold into skirmishers) he can comfortable outduel other junglers and still clear very fast with two swords, while other junglers that decide to go Tiamat or build into their first jungle item are behind.
AP jungler - jungle item x2, amplifying tomb Other junglers - jungle item x2, sword maybe Graves - most likely two swords and boots at this point with an even better reliable clear of wraith camps (Junglers aren't competitive if they can't clear wraiths fast)
did you forget about warwicks move speed buff and Q latch?
Somebody Love Me1 votesCamille is snowball reliant and her clear SUCKS. If she gets going she's good, but if she falls behind she's useless.
Warwick is pretty good honestly but he doesn't feel anywhere as oppressive.
Graves takes no damage in the jungle while clearing super fast. Then he bullies enemy junglers and laners because he's ranged, durable, mobile, and has one of the best soft CCs in the game. Not only that, he scales super well into the late game. His only downside is no real hard engage.
Shablagoo1 votesI have been abusing him for two patches so far, and its so obvious he needs a nerf. The best way to nerf him is hit his early game dmg, its way to high, because of this he has no weak phase, strong early, strong mid game, strong late game. He literally is all around unstoppable, and most junglers cant fight him 1v1 in the jungle, other then rammus maybe.
Inkling Commando1 voteswhy the hell does people think Graves is op? nothing in his kit makes him such. early game his atk spd is slow as hell, has to reload every two shots, and if you are behind minions his bullets will hit minions and not you. plus he has to be point blank when attack a turret otherwise he hits any minions in the way or even a champion. his Smokescreen is not all that good, his Q is easy to predict and can be avoided, his E is viable when closing gaps or retreating, his ult is his only good thing and it has a base cooldown of 2 minutes. so you give me solid proof as to why Graves is op or your statement is invalid.