since youre working on garen right now, there is one other thing you could try this PBE cycle

Critmaster Garen·Jun 30, 2017·5 votes·687 views

make his q animation speed scale up with his base attack speed.

i dont know why i didnt think of this sooner tbh. very little impact in lane, but a buff to his mid and lategame to make the thing not as clunky and painfully telegraphed.

it is probably the slowest auto attack reset in the entire game.

i understand why it hasnt been buffed before. you probably want to keep some counterplay to it early on in lane. his old and much faster animation made up a lot of his lane bullying ability. but mid and lategame it could do with a faster animation.

the w buff is awesome btw. no matter if it makes it to live exactly like this or not, its definitely the right direction. good job.

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Critmaster GarenJun 30, 20172 votes

didnt expect people to be so pissy about this. his pbe changes are still in an experimental stage. im not asking them to overtune him, but to look into adding this in regard to the other changes theyre already working on.

this mid/lategame q animation buff could easily replace that spin damage buff or part of it imo.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 30, 20171 votes

You're listing the LEAST of Garen's problem here. His Q was never even a problem in the first place.

Critmaster GarenJun 30, 20172 votes

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You're listing the LEAST of Garen's problem here. His Q was never even a problem in the first place.

the animation time is actually a large problem. especially the more you climb in rank youll notice the impact.

first of all, it makes for a shitty auto attack reset since youre not gaining additional dps due to the long animation time. and animation cancelling is incredibly important especially higher up the ladder.

but another side effect is that the animation is so long that it often allows people to get a mobility spell or cc off to either interrupt it or to dash away from him, which denies him to be able to follow up with his spin.

youll especially notice this in riven matchups. good rivens will either interrupt your q every single time with her w stun, or they will cast their e during the animation. the q will still connect at her new location and silence her, but her shield will absorb the damage and the dash will bring her out of spin range. by the time youve caught back up, the silence ran out and and shes just going to hop away from you or turn on you.

the effect the slowed down animation has on him seems to be widely underestimated.

i dont know if youre truly aware what an impact it can make, but it would make him more reliable in fights around mid to lategame if the animation time scaled down.

either way, whats acutally the issue with them just trying to add this? if there is any time to experiment with mechanics on his kit, its now that theyre already working on it.

LegenDariusGarenJun 30, 20171 votes

Maybe they should speed up the ending animation of it. Like the Q has already landed, but the next auto attack feels really slow and clunky.

Critmaster GarenJun 30, 20171 votes

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Maybe they should speed up the ending animation of it. Like the Q has already landed, but the next auto attack feels really slow and clunky.

why not just the entire q animation though? i get it in lane. its not supposed to be like it used to with him being able to auto attack + q + auto attack in less than a second. it would be an incredible buff to his early game trades.

but mid to lategame, they could speed the thing up like it used to be to make him better in skirmishes and teamfights.

its kindof dumb, when you time a certain enemy ability to interrupt with your q, and you or your teammate dies in the time the animation plays, simply because the entire enemy spell combo is faster than your q.

the best part about this buff is, that its mostly going to kick in at higher ratings of play where animation cancels become more important. since theyre specifically looking at increasing his skill expression at these ratings, it would be an ideal buff.