Every time I make a thread on Darius, I get downvoted and told he's op right now, is a hard counter to FOTM champions, is a great champion I'm just bad at using him, and that he shouldn't get changed because his kit is fine, it's just the meta is bad right now.
Why can't I have a discussion with people of boards about what Darius needs without being told those things, why?
Cale0173 votesBasically, Darius has a very defined role. He's an early game bully, and if he has a strong early game because of it he's a mid game nightmare. However, because his strengths are so straightforwards, he also lacks in other areas. He has minimal CC, no gap closer, and no mobility options. He's very easy to do well with, but he's just as easy to not do well with. If Darius falls behind, you feel it. He HAS to be ahead to be dealing the kind of damage that makes people fear him.
If you buff him, you run the risk of making his early game more monstrous, or making his late game stronger than it should be given how powerful his early and mid game can be. If you nerf him you run the risk of making his late game even more useless by having him fall off harder, or taking away his early game which is where he has to shine to do well in a match.
I'm not saying that Darius is a bad champion, not at all. But he has very clear strengths and weaknesses, and he fits into compositions that can capitalize on that well. He isn't really a safe pick for solo queue, because he can need some heavy help from teammates going into the mid and late game to set him up to really do well and allow him to unload in teamfights, but with a team that can support him he's amazing. He's very much like Renekton, who's strength is a sustained sort of bullying pattern through the early and mid game, someone who doesn't have to leave their lane and who constantly pulls the enemy jungler to focus more on the top lane, letting laners in other areas push harder. He isn't someone you take when you're trying to play it safe, he isn't someone you take if you're trying to be a disruptive tank, he isn't someone you take if you're trying to supplement a team that needs some utility. His entire gameplay is balanced around the fact that his job is to be a bully against single targets but fall short against multiple enemies unless he's HEAVILY fed, and to that end he does quite well.
If you feel that he needs buffs or nerfs, before posting in the boards, I would suggest you take a step back and analyze yourself first. What were you doing that made it seem like you were weak when playing him? What was he doing that made him seem strong when you were playing against him? What sort of behaviors and builds do you see being used by Dariuses who are ahead, even, or behind. You'll start to see why nudging him one way or the other can quickly spiral out of control.
Leti the Yeti1 votesErryone got dunked at some point are suffer from PTSD?
asktiks1 votesok ...I don't know what league you play in, but for the most part, darius is near dam unstoppable late game, and top tier pick for top lane right now he is pretty much a nasus that doesn't have to build stacks and becomes a walking juggernaut of destruction handing out triple kills in most every encounter trust me buffs he doesn't need, you might need to learn his kit better, read a couple of guides, watch a few spectator games and check out what good darius players build and do
but yeah, im gonna go with the community on this one, minus the downvoting of course.... darius is fine
IsIsGankedParis2 votesHe is a terrible late game champion, not even CLOSE to top tier pick for top lane with ranged cancer there, he can't 1v3 unless massively fed, I've mained Darius since his release though not all on this account.
How is he fine?
BattleOoze1 votesDarius has a great area of denial... Q does massive damage ranged, if you get into that range he can pull you in and apply passive. Then he auto attacks you and resets the aa animation with w and slows you while he moves faster via passive... then at 6 stacks ults you and you are dead or his passive kills you in most scenarios. He's a super strong lane bully mainly because of his stupid damage and his pull. That's literally it, and you are heavily punish for getting near him. He excels at protecting carries late game. That's literally all he can do unless fed. I don't main Darius but hes fun and hella easy to use and I usually wreck with him. I've played him since release as-well.
DropFill1 votesDarius has a great area of denial... Q does massive damage ranged, if you get into that range he can pull you in and apply passive. Then he auto attacks you and resets the aa animation with w and slows you while he moves faster via passive... then at 6 stacks ults you and you are dead or his passive kills you in most scenarios. He's a super strong lane bully mainly because of his stupid damage and his pull. That's literally it, and you are heavily punish for getting near him. He excels at protecting carries late game. That's literally all he can do unless fed. I don't main Darius but hes fun and hella easy to use and I usually wreck with him. I've played him since release as-well.
He is bad at protecting carries late game LOL. You are not heavily punish for getting near him. You are punished for extended fights. If you know you can burst him, go. If you know you can get him really low, go, and kill him in the next engage. But if you know you can't burst him in one rotation or close to 100-0 him, just farm safely. He will eventually fall off HARD. Or ask for a gank, since he pushes the lane hard. HE IS NOT A STRONG LANE BULLY. Fiora and riven are strong lane bully, but darius? No, he is just called OP for noobs.
BattleOoze1 votesDarius is infact a strong lane bully. Because if you get in his circle he WILL hurt you bad, or kill you. And yes, he does well in extended fights but that doesn't mean he CANNOT burst you at all. (This is talking about lane phase). I totally agree with you on the fact he falls off. But his early-mid game are kind of scary depending on the situation of course.
Kuroi862 votesDarius is called a lane bully for one simple fact. If he catches you, it's going to hurt, he can kill you at lvl 2. Even Riven and Fiora should know better than to try and go toe to toe with him early on.
Kuroi862 votesI see you've faced a fed Darius. Not all are so bad, but that fear... that fear is real. o.0
DropFill1 votesBecause people are dumb or low elo, where he stomps people who are too pussy to actually engage him. A LOT of champions just shit so hard on Darius. Riven post -6 will make him cry because of her mobility + burst, rumble outscales him so hard and also has a safe laning phase. Fiora just shits on him. Tryn is a skill matchup, so is irelia. Nasus outscales him by the 20 min mark. Not even talking about ranged champions, that he loses pretty much to EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN RANGED TOP LANER
Arch Mage Magnus1 votesAs a Darius main, he is extremely strong. He will bully you early game easily. If you give him a few kills, god forbid first blood and he gets an item over you.... he will control the entire lane. Then once he destroys your turret the beast is released, and he snowballs pretty quick.
Kuroi861 votesHe's borderline op, similar to Cho'Gath.
Personally, and take this as just my opinion, Darius is the only top lane champ that actually scares me to go into lane against. Darius' kit has powerful trading potential and especially makes any prolonged trades, any that last more than a second or two, turn in his favor.
If he gets a buff as hit kit is right now, you'd see me playing Renekton and hugging turret all laning phase against him.