Lee Sin is outclassed by Vi in every single way

thinking man·Feb 28, 2015·10 votes·706 views

There's no reason to pick him when Vi is more reliable, does similar damage, shreds better, and clears better.

22 Comments

ShockwhiteFeb 28, 201512 votes

Agreed. I don't know why every silver here bitches about Lee Sin so much when he isn't even top tier right now, Vi does everything he can do except 50 times better.

ZmuecatFeb 28, 20156 votes

Screw you, we have had these wagons for so long we pimped them out.

Mine has spinners. With little Garen faces in the center.

Focus TeemoFeb 28, 20151 votes

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Agreed. I don't know why every silver here bitches about Lee Sin so much when he isn't even top tier right now, Vi does everything he can do except 50 times better.

Vi is a grill champ... grill champs are generally complained about less than male champs. Of course there are exceptions such as LB and Akali.

ccseancc143Feb 28, 20154 votes

Nah Lee Sin has retarded burst early. Lvl 6 if he land q your pretty much dead.

thinking manFeb 28, 20153 votes

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Nah Lee Sin has retarded burst early. Lvl 6 if he land q your pretty much dead.

Vi will do it better.

Lee also doesn't one-shot nearly as hard.

ccseancc143Feb 28, 20151 votes

I dont know about that. I was playin ahri earlier and he was lvl 6 and I was lvl 9 and he landed his full combo and got me down to like 200 health. Any other champ and I would i have completely melted him. I was also playing Varus and the enemy Lee sin had blue smite and boots and he was 7 and I was lvl 8 and he one shotted me.

ks916Feb 28, 20154 votes

Not really true, unlike Lee once vi goes in she can't get out as easily/disengage. Lee can kick someone away, ward hop, use Q to a camp or near by enemy minions etc. On the other hand vi can only use her Q to get out of a bad situation which can be blocked and interrupted since it's a channel. Also Lee can kick someone in your team but vi has to go right into your team without anyways of getting out. Also lee has a lot more early game power.

Poptart EvelynnFeb 28, 20153 votes

Sorry didn't know that mobility was something to completely ignore in comparing kits to prove one is better than the other. But I could totally copy this sentence style and make anything sound broken.

thinking manFeb 28, 20152 votes

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Sorry didn't know that mobility was something to completely ignore in comparing kits to prove one is better than the other. But I could totally copy this sentence style and make anything sound broken.

Lee's in-and-out mobility makes him a bit safer if played well but he's a completely worse champion outside of his W.

ks916Feb 28, 20152 votes

Do you play jungle much?

CindikleFeb 28, 20153 votes

Energy>Mana Lee can land his gap closer(Q) and chose not to use it. When Vi goes all in, she's all in. Lee can move his target to his team for easier killing. Vi can easily get too far ahead of the team and die for using her R. Lee has mixed damage Lee has sustain(and a shield) Lee has true sight Lee is harder to escape Lee isn't countered by standard defensive items(Hourglass) and to a lesser extent Scimitar.

Vi's advantage is her shield is free(but isn't as easily controlled) and her mobility doesn't require an item to be able to chose it's direction. And an armor shred.

Loaded kit is loaded.

Vi is better if you're looking to single out a target and your team can keep up. In general she is good with assassins/burst. Lee is good in general.

thinking manFeb 28, 20152 votes

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Energy>Mana Lee can land his gap closer(Q) and chose not to use it. When Vi goes all in, she's all in. Lee can move his target to his team for easier killing. Vi can easily get too far ahead of the team and die for using her R. Lee has mixed damage Lee has sustain(and a shield) Lee has true sight Lee is harder to escape Lee isn't countered by standard defensive items(Hourglass) and to a lesser extent Scimitar.

Vi's advantage is her shield is free(but isn't as easily controlled) and her mobility doesn't require an item to be able to chose it's direction. And an armor shred.

Loaded kit is loaded.

Vi is better if you're looking to single out a target and your team can keep up. In general she is good with assassins/burst. Lee is good in general.

Energy is a massive disadvantage outside of early-game.

Vi can also charge her Q and choose not to use it, which has the exact same zoning effect. Lee is definitely not harder to escape.

CindikleFeb 28, 20151 votes

If teams are poking each other. Or Vi choses not to go in after charging her Q a few times, that means less mana when a fight does start. Lee is not punished for throwing his Q and not using the second or missing. He just waits the cooldown and energy delay. With Lee's passive, he also has no problem keeping his energy up. Energy is only a disadvantage if you cannot get any returns from your kit.

Vi has a stronger lock down on her ulti. But if she uses her Q to get into range. After her R she has nothing to keep up if they can dash out or she gets CC'd and they walk away. Lee will likely still have his ward hop left. If he used it to be able to aim his R better that means the enemy lost escape distance into your team. If they dash out, it's likely back into Lee or in a direction away from their team.

HauntFeb 28, 20152 votes

Why would you play Vi/Lee SIn when you can literally just sit in the jungle forever and farm without ever having to go back on Aatrox? You can't physically die unless you hit the chickens and then just stand still.

o nvm he has a revive passive while being super tanky and being able to do ridiculous amounts of damage all while having Malphite ult on his q, so he won't die ecks dee.

Aatrox's ganks are also detrimental even pre 6 unlike Vi, and he is un-dualable.

Why are people complaining about Lee Sin again?

youngjake93Feb 28, 20151 votes

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Why would you play Vi/Lee SIn when you can literally just sit in the jungle forever and farm without ever having to go back on Aatrox? You can't physically die unless you hit the chickens and then just stand still.

o nvm he has a revive passive while being super tanky and being able to do ridiculous amounts of damage all while having Malphite ult on his q, so he won't die ecks dee.

Aatrox's ganks are also detrimental even pre 6 unlike Vi, and he is un-dualable.

Why are people complaining about Lee Sin again?

Because power-farming the jungle leaves you 3 levels behind everyone and most of your lanes will lose. It is kind of sad that someone could say that what makes a jungler good is that they don't get executed in the jungle. The bar has really been lowered lol.