I'm sick of duskblade and lethality

Moonfall Saber·Dec 26, 2018·14 votes·6,541 views

Back in the glory days of this game there was one item with armor pen and it was ghostblade. Now since lethality has been in this game armor has been totally useless. There's even a rune that gives lethality or magic pen usable by CERTAIN champions. We all know that any champion without a dash has been useless since season 4 ended. I'm sick of armor not doing ANYTHING at all. When taric is the worst tier support in the game and everyone is playing ad champions there's a problem. If the balance team would just play the abomination of the game they created then maybe they wouldn't be so ignorant to the bullshit we have to deal with.

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VortexV9Dec 26, 20188 votes

Aatrox , Graves , Jayce , LeeSin , Khazix , Kayn , Nocturne , Pyke , Pantheon , Rengar , Riven , Zed , Talon , Shaco , MissFortune , MonkeyKing

16/ 144 champs using lethality items.. I think bigger problem is mages being totally op... With that stupid item item 3135 and ofc item 3020 bcs why not...

Noor SakataDec 26, 201810 votes

Except that mages buy it 4th/5th item and it's not enough to power spike , and it's not broken at all , except on 2 mages which are dps ones. While Lethality is a 1 item power spike and those 16 champions you mentioned , one or 2 of them are in every single match , so yeah

VortexV9Dec 26, 20185 votes

Yeah they're not broken at all.. But they can counter most of these champ up here with 1 item .... Full let assassin for example Talon .. He jump on mage, mage cc him and go into item 3157 .. Rest of the team beat the shit out of Talon..

And if you're gonna use that stupid argument " 1v1 Talon can oneshot mage "... SAY NO SHIT? HE IS ASSASSIN.. Whole point of assassin class is one shot 1 target..

Ofc give them few kills and they can carry alone bcs they deal dmg.. But put tank or hard cc support and assassin can't do shit in TF...

For example TF can go with Grasp, armor and full def runes with ninja tabi rush and you're done.. You deal no dmg as assassin with Dirk.. Or even worse Viktor can rush fck Iceborn and kill you 1v1... Lot of mages can just rush item 3157 ... They got dmg, armor, and that active... Assassin can rush item 3155 and lose lot of dmg bcs they spend 1300 on that shit instand of item 3134

Noor SakataDec 26, 20181 votes

To make it short a mage can't rush Zhonia , if they do , they abandon their main role and they are no longer counted as mages.

Pokemonred200Dec 26, 20184 votes

From what I understand, mages are supposed to sit on Seeker's Armguard to defend themselves against Assassins, delaying their first item powerspike ( item 3802 upgrade/ item 3165 / item 3027 generally) in the same way Assassins are supposed to sit on item 3155 to defend themselves against mages, delaying their 1 item powerspike ( item 3142 / item 3147 ). They both have their pros and cons (Seeker's can take a small bit of extra time to stack, while Hexdrinker's defenses drop noticably when the shield is off cooldown, which can happen from poke damage).

I don't think either option is particularly better than the other, especially given rushing their upgrades is usually a major setback for either class.

Janna Me FiddleDec 27, 20184 votes

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Yeah they're not broken at all.. But they can counter most of these champ up here with 1 item .... Full let assassin for example .. He jump on mage, mage cc him and go into .. Rest of the team beat the shit out of Talon..

And if you're gonna use that stupid argument " 1v1 Talon can oneshot mage "... SAY NO SHIT? HE IS ASSASSIN.. Whole point of assassin class is one shot 1 target..

Ofc give them few kills and they can carry alone bcs they deal dmg.. But put tank or hard cc support and assassin can't do shit in TF...

For example TF can go with Grasp, armor and full def runes with ninja tabi rush and you're done.. You deal no dmg as assassin with Dirk.. Or even worse Viktor can rush fck Iceborn and kill you 1v1... Lot of mages can just rush ... They got dmg, armor, and that active... Assassin can rush and lose lot of dmg bcs they spend 1300 on that shit instand of

One shotting should not happen ever, even for Assassins.

Its why everyone used to hate Rengar because he was the easiest to get to the one shot state.

Heck the whole reason they nerfed/reworked Crit is because it wasn't fun to get killed instantly by a random crit.

Assassins should be mobile champs that can take a target out quickly, but offer actual counter play.

Running up to someone in stealth, hitting them once and triggering dusk blade and dark harvest procs does not offer counter play, it's mindless and not fun to play against.

WoΘxerDec 27, 20183 votes

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Lot of mages can just rush ... They got dmg, armor, and that active... Assassin can rush and lose lot of dmg bcs they spend 1300 on that shit instand of

Zhonyas most of the time won't help u to avoid one shot from Rengar, Talon, Kha'Zix or any other assassin. In first place u won't even react to pop it.

And if assassin builds Hexdrinker they did not lost damage they gain dmg and magic absorbs, one of the reasons why Hexdrinker is getting reworked.

l love AhriDec 27, 20181 votes

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Zhonyas most of the time won't help u to avoid one shot from Rengar, Talon, Kha'Zix or any other assassin. In first place u won't even react to pop it.

Wow. The people I play with must be superhuman then because their reactions are so inhumane.

TheRakkunDec 27, 20181 votes

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Yeah they're not broken at all.. But they can counter most of these champ up here with 1 item .... Full let assassin for example .. He jump on mage, mage cc him and go into .. Rest of the team beat the shit out of Talon..

And if you're gonna use that stupid argument " 1v1 Talon can oneshot mage "... SAY NO SHIT? HE IS ASSASSIN.. Whole point of assassin class is one shot 1 target..

Ofc give them few kills and they can carry alone bcs they deal dmg.. But put tank or hard cc support and assassin can't do shit in TF...

For example TF can go with Grasp, armor and full def runes with ninja tabi rush and you're done.. You deal no dmg as assassin with Dirk.. Or even worse Viktor can rush fck Iceborn and kill you 1v1... Lot of mages can just rush ... They got dmg, armor, and that active... Assassin can rush and lose lot of dmg bcs they spend 1300 on that shit instand of

I miss when the only assassin I had to worry about one-shotting me was Rengar and maybe Kha-zix if I'm isolated. Now literally any assassin can do it.

VortexV9Dec 27, 20182 votes

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I miss when the only assassin I had to worry about one-shotting me was Rengar and maybe Kha-zix if I'm isolated. Now literally any assassin can do it.

Same as Lux , Annie , Syndra , Ahri , Velkoz , Zoe Land stun on you and you're done.. You're dead.. Only difference they do that from a fck range.. Or across half fck map like Zoe...

TheRakkunDec 27, 20181 votes

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Same as , , , , , Land stun on you and you're done.. You're dead.. Only difference they do that from a fck range.. Or across half fck map like Zoe...

Thankfully with a stun you can cleanse it. Not much you can do to just pure, lethal amounts of damage.

VortexV9Dec 27, 20182 votes

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Thankfully with a stun you can cleanse it. Not much you can do to just pure, lethal amounts of damage.

So you have to take summoner spell to counter these champs... I can't play with TP/ heal/ ignite bcs they pick some of these? And you don't see problem there?

l love AhriDec 27, 20181 votes

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Thankfully with a stun you can cleanse it. Not much you can do to just pure, lethal amounts of damage.

Lethality is countered by armor. That is hard to do if you play a champion who doesnt build lots of armor like Shen, Rammus, Maokai..etc. In my games, mages usually only build 1 armor item (Zhonya) hence why they get one shot

Magic pen is also hard to counter as well. As a Zed player, I only build mercury threads and Maw of malmortius (or mercurial scimitar) and it isnt enough to stop a full build mage

Unless you're talking about Conqueror and true damage, their only counter is by having more health and that's hard to do if you arent a tank. Even tanks still die very fast to Conqueror and true damage...

FéliXXXDec 28, 20181 votes

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Lethality is countered by armor. That is hard to do if you play a champion who doesnt build lots of armor like Shen, Rammus, Maokai..etc. In my games, mages usually only build 1 armor item (Zhonya) hence why they get one shot

Magic pen is also hard to counter as well. As a Zed player, I only build mercury threads and Maw of malmortius (or mercurial scimitar) and it isnt enough to stop a full build mage

Unless you're talking about Conqueror and true damage, their only counter is by having more health and that's hard to do if you arent a tank. Even tanks still die very fast to Conqueror and true damage...

its not harf at all, now every champ can get 10 armor from runes then you have items like seekers and armor boots which listen here you can rush as amage but it seems like ppl its not smart enough rly in 2k18 saying that a mage cant rush zhonyas is the dumbbest thing ever

FerrinovaDec 26, 20185 votes

Lol i see almost every one of these champions in my game EVERY GAME(exept for jayce) and they end up snowballing hard and killing tons of people within seconds. gg riot what a stupid game now.

Crispy0SnakeDec 26, 20187 votes

Duskblade has been changed a lot since it's introduction. It was meant to be the AD Assassin version of Deathcap/Infinity edge.

But since it became a first rush item and it was so strong and made ad assassins so good, Riot nerfed AD assassins to compensate for it's strength.

What that does is create a reliance on the item, because if you don't rush it, you're an underpowered champion getting an underpowered item, when you could get an OP asf item that synergises with your kit really well.

So now every AD Assassin buys this busted item first.. it should get a big change imo.

boricCentaur1Dec 26, 20186 votes

Could you be anymore wrong and you give no proof as to why lethality stops tanks like building armor counters lethality the reason assassins build lethality is to go through the base armor since that is all its good for. Unlike you I'm going to back up my statement so duskblade gives 21 lethality at level 18 (most in the game) how much pen does 21 lethality equal to at level 18 21 armor pen so buying ninja tabi stops all the lethality up to level 18 then it stop all but 1. Now lets add up all the lethality so if you buy all 3 lethality items the armor pen that would add up to would be 57 armor pen at level 18 so building a sunfire cape you can negate all the lethality so how is it killing tanks. Also if lethality was so good why is only like one meta champion building it answer its not op.

FéliXXXDec 26, 20183 votes

armor has been useless then why is item 3191 > item 3147 + item 3142 ?

l love AhriDec 27, 20181 votes

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armor has been useless then why is > + ?

I think it only counters one of those, not both. Pretty sure you need a Zhonyas to counter both...

FéliXXXDec 28, 20181 votes

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I think it only counters one of those, not both. Pretty sure you need a Zhonyas to counter both...

nope since lethality is a scalling stat you can counter both of them early/midgame just do the math seekers flat armor is 30 i think? up to 45 and lethality is based on ur target lvl

ankoanko19Dec 27, 20182 votes

Bruh sudden impact is trash. Everyone is taking the healing rune over SI.

GigglesODec 27, 20182 votes

It was brutalizer with no upgrades back to the real glory days of league.

DragonSheaDec 27, 20181 votes

15/18/21 Lethality is too much. If you build full ArPen + item 3035 upgrades you can shred tanks like it's nothing.

l love AhriDec 27, 20181 votes

Armor is useless because of true damage, not because of lethality.

Have 1000 armor on Rammus and still die in a few seconds because of Master Yi, Irelia, or Yasuo with Conqueror

FéliXXXDec 28, 20181 votes

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Armor is useless because of true damage, not because of lethality.

Have 1000 armor on Rammus and still die in a few seconds because of Master Yi, Irelia, or Yasuo with Conqueror

building as much armor is not as efficient as you thinkg the game doesnt work like that

FéliXXXDec 28, 20181 votes

like i get ur point dmg its to high and all that shiet but lethality or electrucute are not the reason that got already fixed the thing is that there is a lot of things in league that shouldnt do as much dmg like bruisers, conqueror, aftershock, gunblade etc