Vayne seems to be overshadowed in preseason, but only because...

Seenan·Nov 14, 2015·1 votes·458 views

Most ADCs would have it better to build damage first, while Vayne simply would work with usual BORK first for the efficiency.

Graves is basically a burst ADC now, so he can simply buy Death's Dance (as one item) and blow her away (or a chunk/most of her hp) each time. Unless I'm missing something with the item-build for Vayne now?

Mind you, I'm not sure if true damage also gets turned into a bleed effect. Or if PD's % damage reduction or damage amp works with true damage. Clarity?

As another point, BORK got nerfed anyway.

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disregardableNov 14, 20153 votes

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SeenanNov 14, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LubzBVlv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-14T07:08:47.063+0000)

Her winrate and playrate is actually the same as it was in 5.20, when they nerfed her 3 AD.

https://i.gyazo.com/34f7de76634a3304788eb5752a98dad9.png I mean it's only been a couple days, but 100,000 games should be enough.

Seems to have went down about 1.x% (winrate)..But that doesn't answer the other inquiries I have.

disregardableNov 14, 20151 votes

fml really I need to read.

SeenanNov 14, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Very Toxic Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LubzBVlv,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-11-14T08:11:11.651+0000)

fml really I need to read.

Nah, you didn't need to delete your post either. It did give a tad clarity.

ProfDrDeathNov 14, 20151 votes

Only that champion.gg does not have data on 5.22 yet.

xl Kirito lxNov 14, 20152 votes

The Vayne build I've been seeing is Shiv into Rapidfire Cannon. Surprisingly good amount of damage on such a cheap few items.

But yeah, I completely expect that Vayne won't get nerfed in line before S6 hits. They'll nerf all of her new counters, but not Vayne herself, leading to her showing from late S5.

SeenanNov 14, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=xl Kirito lx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LubzBVlv,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-14T07:11:25.889+0000)

The Vayne build I've been seeing is Shiv into Rapidfire Cannon. Surprisingly good amount of damage on such a cheap few items.

But yeah, I completely expect that Vayne won't get nerfed in line before S6 hits. They'll nerf all of her new counters, but not Vayne herself, leading to her showing from late S5.

Vayne..nerfed? Hah. The only nerfs on Vayne tend to be the items that Vayne uses..but new PD seems like a godsend since she's pretty much permanently a single target champ (unless she utilizes Hurricane).

LegendaryLemurNov 14, 20151 votes

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Mind you, I'm not sure if true damage also gets turned into a bleed effect. Or if PD's % damage reduction or damage amp works with true damage. Clarity?

Haven't tested any of this, but...

Death's Dance "Unique: Stores 12% of all physical and magical damage received, and is taken as a damage over time instead, dealing one-third of the stored damage every second". I'd say it's safe to say true damage is not included, since it explicitly says physical and magical damage. [EDIT: I was using the wikia page. I looked on item sets and the wording is different "12% of damage taken is dealt as a bleed effect over 3 seconds instead". So now i'm not sure] [EDIT2: Found this link https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3qs6jx/new_deaths_dance_on_adc_question_on_execution/ where RiotXypherous appears to be confirming that Death's Dance's damage reduction does not apply to true damage]
Phantom Dancer "Unique – Lament: The last champion hit deals 12% less damage to you (ends after 10 seconds of not hitting)". I'm less sure here, but "less damage" sounds like damage reduction, which does not apply to true damage.
You also mention PD's "damage amp" but i'm not sure what you mean by that.

SeenanNov 14, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Haven't tested any of this, but...

Death's Dance "Unique: Stores 12% of all physical and magical damage received, and is taken as a damage over time instead, dealing one-third of the stored damage every second". I'd say it's safe to say true damage is not included, since it explicitly says physical and magical damage. [EDIT: I was using the wikia page. I looked on item sets and the wording is different "12% of damage taken is dealt as a bleed effect over 3 seconds instead". So now i'm not sure] [EDIT2: Found this link https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3qs6jx/new_deaths_dance_on_adc_question_on_execution/ where RiotXypherous appears to be confirming that Death's Dance's damage reduction does not apply to true damage]

Phantom Dancer "Unique – Lament: The last champion hit deals 12% less damage to you (ends after 10 seconds of not hitting)". I'm less sure here, but "less damage" sounds like damage reduction, which does not apply to true damage.

You also mention PD's "damage amp" but i'm not sure what you mean by that.

Now that I re-read PD, I may have made a mistake on the 'damage amp'. I assumed it was both +12% damage dealt and -12% damage received.