Can we disable maokai on future urfs?

SirTeemoMushroom·May 24, 2017·26 votes·1,153 views

i heard urf is on pbe , old maokai was annoying as hell when his E was x1 dmg i can't imagine now that he can spam E on all bushes and you can only play under tower OR ELSE death is waiting

14 Comments

Fondling GemsMay 24, 20175 votes

Alternatively they can just use a variation of the nerf they have for most trap champs (and that Mao had last URF) to limit the number of saplings he can have down.

TheSingularityMay 24, 20171 votes

Awe.... I want 5 people spawning in with 20% cdr to fill red bush so we can insta kill the jungler.

Then we ff cos mission complete

SteelflameMay 24, 20175 votes

IIRC it wasn't urf that showed up, but Doombots.

WyrmbladeMay 24, 20174 votes

If Urf champions should be banned for being annoying then you might as well dumpster the whole mode because all of them are.

I think this speaks more to the fact that the bonus damage on saplings in brushes has completely warped Maokai's kit for zero reason other than novelty and memes, which seems to have been the primary focus of the tank update.

SirTeemoMushroomMay 24, 20172 votes

i might should remind you , brand and teemo are banned for 2 seasons in urf

CheekynorthMay 24, 20171 votes

Similarly, Karthus was banned in One for All. I think it's fair if Maokai is banned here because he was annoying originally but now he'll literally be worse than Shaco + Teemo and other annoying champs as one comp in URF

An Undead bratMay 24, 20171 votes

Brand was banned? I'd swear I played him there..

Sp33d Zer0May 24, 20173 votes

I think he was removed after people learned about the infinite stun.

SirTeemoMushroomMay 24, 20171 votes

pretty much this.

Shuyin178May 24, 20172 votes

Aww that's cute, you think you're safe from Maokai under towers in URF.

On the bright side at least his W doesn't have the %HP thing anymore so it won't be as toxic because you can out-run the saplings at least.

SirTeemoMushroomMay 24, 20171 votes

well...

AeszarckMay 24, 20171 votes

On the bright side, you'll be able to check bushes easily with your constantly refreshing wards and whatever vision-granting skillshots you have.

BlakiepugMay 24, 20171 votes

No, it's never fun to have your favorite champions disabled. I'm still waiting for Teemo and Karthus to be allowed in One For All.

junglerboy16May 24, 20171 votes

Actually it may tone him down a bit since the scaling is % hp instead of raw damage. Since everyone in Urf tends to build straight damage he'll have less total burst than before most of the time. Basically, instead of getting chunked for 240 +60% AP per, you'll take 125 +8% +1% AP% per, doubled in bushes. In order for the new saplings to hurt as much as the old without AP, you need at least 115/0.08 = 1437 (719 for bushes) health (weaker for the early game where it was strongest) and once you start building AP (say 700 cuz Urf) you need at least 3567 health (1783 for bushes).

On top of all of that, consider that MR has been buffed noticeably, especially since the health has gone down but MR has gone up across the board.

So yeah, Maokai may spam saplings a lot just like always, but it won't be that much worse, if at all.

It'll still kill you most of the time though, but the new saplings aren't going to be what makes him strong or not the next time uff rolls around.