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If you don't zone assassins once they waste their mobility you deserve to lose lane

SeargentAnus··7 votes·867 views

I'm a Velkoz main, and back in season 4/5 I used to be on the assassins are OP bandwagon. After focusing on my play, and taking months away from the game I realized I was simply just terrible at the game.

Zed has an 18 second cooldown on his W. Many mages will be able to get off two rotations of their skills while his mobility is down. If you're able to land any CC on him while his mobility is down you'll likely drop him to half HP without him having any counterplay. Velkoz with thunderlords can deal 80% HP damage with thunderlords and a Q E W combo. This will push him out of lane giving you the first level 6 (which will win you the lane no matter what if you watch your exp, and make him waste his mobility).

Fizz is very similar, but will be maxing his mobility early (at lvl 5 he'll have it from a 16s->12s CD). Watch for him to not be in position to Q through minions, and it'll work exactly the same as Zed. The good thing about Fizz is that he's much easier to catch with your combo post 6 as he won't be able to have a second invulnerability like Zed will.

Punish both of these guys level one. Sit by your melee minions and bitch slap them. Ranged minions are currently bugged in the first wave at the moment, so you'll get free poke without taking any damage. If you don't drop them half HP lvl 1 expect to take some bad trades lvl 2/3.

If you get 6 first over these guys you need to immediately look to gank another lane, or use that to 100-0 them. As Vel'koz one combo will kill them once you're level 6 even if they're full HP. Just watch for the enemy jungler as they'll likely notice you're ahead, and might want to gank.

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MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

some champs have mana and some others don't. you'd have to use mana in order to stop zed from pushing your lane that hard. as for fizz. he has low cooldowns. and idk why can't he or zed also use their damaging abilities as well. their mobility is just an added bonus its not like they can't do damage.

SeargentAnus1 votes

They can use their damaging abilities, but by using your range you make it so they can never engage on you. Using this you can zone them from CS since they're both melee. If you aren't wasting skills you don't have to worry about mana. The only time I run out of mana on my mages is when I'm playing stupid (wasting skills, using them to poke (therefor missing most of them) instead of zone). As a mage you're going to be dealing a lot more damage than assassins pre 6. Fizz has average cooldowns, and pretty average range. He can't CS well, and has terrible issues with poking in the early game. Zed simply won't be able to poke you on most mages if he wastes his W making the rest of the damage in his kit pointless.

Early game isn't nescearily about getting kills. It's about pressuring your lane opponent, so you can get a CS and level advantage.

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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They can use their damaging abilities, but by using your range you make it so they can never engage on you. Using this you can zone them from CS since they're both melee. If you aren't wasting skills you don't have to worry about mana. The only time I run out of mana on my mages is when I'm playing stupid (wasting skills, using them to poke (therefor missing most of them) instead of zone). As a mage you're going to be dealing a lot more damage than assassins pre 6. Fizz has average cooldowns, and pretty average range. He can't CS well, and has terrible issues with poking in the early game. Zed simply won't be able to poke you on most mages if he wastes his W making the rest of the damage in his kit pointless.

Early game isn't nescearily about getting kills. It's about pressuring your lane opponent, so you can get a CS and level advantage.

fizz has a gapcloser. and zed has range. not to mention. zed is ad. he should win prolonged fights. and fizz has empowered basic attacks

SeargentAnus1 votes

And nearly every mage has range. If you aren't using your range advantage after you know they've wasted their major mobility you're going to lose hard. This is the very key to their counterplay, and by not doing this you're losing yourself the lane.

Hex the FenFen2 votes

Yeah but Zed has the longest range poke and farming out of all mid laners. It is not hard for him to stay far back and farm with his 3 move combo....so your point is kind of null and void

SeargentAnus1 votes

His 3 move combo is on an 18s CD. He's not going to be able to farm effectively with that combo. If you're zoning him that hard you're going to win the land hard especially if you let him push with his abilities while you simply AA waves. Just ping for jungle assistance. He'll do the combo again, and you'll get a free kill once Zed has wasted his W (since he's pushed to your side since you've let him push you under tower). Assassins are extremely easy to deal with pre 6 if you abuse your zoning power.

Hex the FenFen1 votes

That is also assuming you can dodge his moves 100% of the time. Even as a long range mage such as Lux you still have to go in and auto attack minions, which puts you in range of his moves, even if he is not farming well with the combo he just has to poke you out of lane or just wait for the minions to be under tower, he is AD so that is a breeze for him. But yeah assuming you dodge his moves 100% of the time and don't get chunked from one combo then yeah you could probably win.

SeargentAnus1 votes

If he is focused on trading with you he'll be missing a ton of CS. If you're concerned about your ability to dodge buy item 2010. Once you understand his range, and the overall range you'll be able to position yourself so you can trade with him while he can't trade with you. His W is slow enough that you can easily dodge the E meaning he'll only land one Q on you. One Q and all of his abilities on CD is well worth it. You'll no be able to sit in the middle of your wave for ~8 seconds (if you don't want to eat another Q) or 18s (to move back out into that ~800 range). Lux Q and E have around 1100 range. You have nearly a 300 range bonus on him which is huge (think of slightly over half your AA range). You're likely not using your range advantage if you're having difficulty with Zed in the early game.

Frikgeek1 votes

18 sec CD for WEQ and it oneshots casters, then he can safely farm the melees with just Q. Waves spawn every 30 seconds so he's pretty damn safe.

SeargentAnus1 votes

If he is pushing like that he will be extremely easy to gank. Once he wastes his full combo you have around 8 seconds to zone him, take your CS, and trade with him if he plays stupid and tries to AA you. Not to mention things like Lux or Velkoz have really easy kits to trade with, and pretty long range when people waste their ranged skills. One slow from either of them will give them an insane trade.

Frikgeek1 votes

Except that won't happen. You WEQ casters, then back off 600 units away from the wave(which is basically at your tower) and Q the meeles. It's extremely safe and you really can't do much about it without crossing the mid-line which exposes you to ganks.

Yosuke Apperu2 votes

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Yeah but Zed has the longest range poke and farming out of all mid laners. It is not hard for him to stay far back and farm with his 3 move combo....so your point is kind of null and void

I think that his point is incredibly valid actually.. By zoning, you force him to either poke you or farm with his shurikens. Yes one shuriken after shadow technically has the range of 1600. However if you're atleast 700 away from him(and there are minions infront of his shadow) when he throws his shurikens they'll do much less damage. The other thing is if he's using his shadow that way, he'll have a much harder time dodging things like lux's E.

Streeton1 votes

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Yeah but Zed has the longest range poke and farming out of all mid laners. It is not hard for him to stay far back and farm with his 3 move combo....so your point is kind of null and void "zed has the longest range pool and farming out of all midlaners" Lux says hi

Handin Out Naps2 votes

The sad part is how people would rather argue with you than take your amazing advice. But yeah you are right zed and fizz are both so abusable when they use their mobility in lane.

After focusing on my play, and taking months away from the game I realized I was simply just terrible at the game.

Yeah that's the sign of someone who is about to start climbing tbh, realizing how bad you are and finding your mistakes is where people ussually begin to get much better at the game. Goodluck friend.

SeargentAnus1 votes

To realize how weak they were I had to play them. Playing a bit of everything has made me become much better mechanically. Now I really just need to work on my strategic knowledge, and applying it in the middle of a game since I'm still making stupid calls/decisions that make my early game lead evaporate in one play :P

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