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I've found out what gold players fail to do.

SeargentAnus··29 votes·4,069 views

I've taken a break from rank as I started to become toxic after I hit gold IV. My flat mechanical skill with my main Velkoz didn't seem like it was making me win games anymore. Of course like any solo queue player after games I blamed it on my teammates instead of myself. After so many games I gave up for a bit, and went to play other games. Upon coming back after watching diamond+ streams, and taking a break I finally found out what I was doing wrong, and what my teammates were doing wrong.

  1. If you're playing as support/Jungle, or extremely fed always take control of your team. Every team needs a shot caller, and if it requires 15 pings for your team to follow than spam those pings. Make sure if you're making a call that it has logical backing. Before calling a dragon call ask yourself why you're calling it. If an enemy just died and the four of you are relatively healthy go take that 7-8 minute drag.

  2. If you see people chasing kills instead of taking an objective. Run towards the objective, spam ping it, and back ping them. If you've been leading the team so far they should listen with relative ease. People are more willing to follow if you're playing well (Damn human psyche). Objectives rank as this now Inhib>Baron>InhibTower>Dragon>OtherTower.

I've won my last 7 games in this new mindset, and have even climbed a rank. Last time I played I was about to drop back to gold V. Hope these tips help for people stuck in low gold with me :D.

46 Comments

PonderousSealion18 votes

This isn't really just Gold. This is everyone. People tunnel in Challenger, just a lot less frequently.

Jesus is Savior6 votes

{quoted} 15 pings for your team to follow than spam those pings.

People like you are the reason I play with pings muted every game.

coasterfreak4515 votes

And when his lanemate Katarina roams to your lane and kills you and then snowballs the game from there, will you report him for not calling Mia?

Don't play with ping muted unless someone really is making the game unplayable. Which is hard since you can only issue six pings before the game automatically makes you wait several seconds.

Jesus is Savior4 votes

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And when his lanemate Katarina roams to your lane and kills you and then snowballs the game from there, will you report him for not calling Mia?

Don't play with ping muted unless someone really is making the game unplayable. Which is hard since you can only issue six pings before the game automatically makes you wait several seconds.

I can still see pings while they are muted, so no, I won't "report him for not calling MIA".

And if I wait until "someone is making the game unplayable", I'm already going to be pissed off and be on a tilt, and at that point even the silent flashing things on the map are gonna make me more pissed off.

Do you know how many times I have gotten 20 pings in my face as I go in for a double kill and escape? Or the number of times I get 20 pings in my face when, say, a Fizz is already on top of me and it is already too late for me to get away?

Stephenizgod1 votes

I kind of agree with you. When im taking a turret or when im like 5ft from it, please do not ping me 50 times to take it... im right in front of the turret and i see their team, do you really think im going to back off? Stop acting like you are "leading" me, you are just annoying me to be honest. When i am already recalling, please do not ping me 50 times that its dangerous. I know, that is why im backing... When you ping me 50 times that its dangerous to fight my lane, the jungler, and your lane, please stop. I know its bad and thats why im trying to escape, i wish you had pinged MIA sooner but oh well now let me concentrate on surviving.

Basically dont ping just to ping, also one ping is enough, 50 pings makes me want to do the opposite of what you are pinging about.

OH! and for junglers, when you ping to go in, please also go in. So many times jung pings the target then watches me fight, then they either jack the kill (not really a big deal but it would be nice to get that gold too) or walk away when i die (why did you ping in the first place)...

Jesus is Savior1 votes

{quoted} also one ping is enough, 50 pings **makes me want to do the opposite of what you are pinging about.
**

This is honestly the reason I started leaving them muted every game.

Now if only I could get in the habit of muting chat...

Zamiake1 votes

you should listen to your team instead of ignore them. If you listen the first time maybe they would have to spam so much. When ever i notice my team listens to my pings i only ping once

Jesus is Savior3 votes

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you should listen to your team instead of ignore them. If you listen the first time maybe they would have to spam so much. When ever i notice my team listens to my pings i only ping once

see above

Brado115 votes

Dragon isnt always under inhib tower or baron if you ask me

coasterfreak4511 votes

Especially if it's Fifth Dragon. That buff is literally giving you the equivalent buffs of all four previous dragons, all at once. If you can get that, do it, IMO. The fact that it makes getting other objectives so much easier means it may be worth leaving that Inhib tower for one minute, because with five team members all doing +30% damage to minions and towers you'll almost certainly get it again anyways, and probably more. It's really hard to say "X > X > X" because every objective has different values as different points in the game, and some need ward control or grouping while others don't. The key to doing well at objective control is to learn which objectives are important to control and when it's actually important to control them.

junglerboy161 votes

Yeah, getting a 5th dragon is worth more than all but finishing the game outright, since it amplifies everything you have to ridiculous proportions. You almost can't lose once you have 5 dragons, and getting it makes every other objective become amazingly fast (bonus AD/AP +the bonus damage to minion/monsters and to towers means after five dragons, EVERYONE on your team can kill a tower fast or clear a wave or you can crush baron in seconds.

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

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Yeah, getting a 5th dragon is worth more than all but finishing the game outright, since it amplifies everything you have to ridiculous proportions. You almost can't lose once you have 5 dragons, and getting it makes every other objective become amazingly fast (bonus AD/AP +the bonus damage to minion/monsters and to towers means after five dragons, EVERYONE on your team can kill a tower fast or clear a wave or you can crush baron in seconds.

True in theory, problem is that in soloq teams tend to go "well we've got 5th dragon we're OP now" and all strategy goes out the window. Just saw a team willingly engage a 4v5 while their adc was in the base, just because they had 5th dragon, and it didn't work out for them. This silliness is why I avoided Baron like the plague in soloq last season, even though I played champs that could solo it.

Solaxo2 votes

I think it's just a placebo. You will have loss streak soon

SeargentAnus1 votes

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SeargentAnus3 votes

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I think it's just a placebo. You will have loss streak soon

Probably just a mix of luck on my part, and teams that are willing to listen. I did have a challenger smurf assist in a game >_>

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Yep. As a support main, one of the things I keep getting better at is calling the shots, and it and counterpicks are probably still the areas I need the most work on.

I've found that counterpicking while it can be helpful doesn't win you the game. If you're comftorable with a small pool of champions don't play outside that pool just understand you'll lose lane, and look for things to do outside of lane. This game doesn't revolve around you winning lane, it revolves around you winning the game.

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This isn't really just Gold. This is everyone. People tunnel in Challenger, just a lot less frequently.

That's why pings are loud and annoying so people get pulled away from that tunnel vision. I remember when I was bronze IV early last season, and all I did was chase kills thinking that this was CoD. I realize that people tunnel, but you have to try and pull them from that mindset.

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Doesn't really help...in this community if they want kills they will dive and die for it, if they want baron they will let you splitpush to nexus for it. No one wants to listen lol...I recently started playing LAN and you'd be surprised how easy it is to solo carry by getting the udyr on your team to run while you push and the enemy team chases him for a kill...took 4 turrets in one go with azir like that. The spam ping is a double-edged sword yes it alerts, but people willing to listen will already be listening/following while the ones who don;t listen will begin to rage at it. Last, i think your objectives are slightly skewed--- nexus(i have lost many games by people baroning instead of killing this...) >Inhib (pressure) >baron >inhib turrets >drag=inner turrets >outer turrets

Yeah some people are stubborn, and you'll lose some games because they won't want to listen. Games like that happen and you can't control them, but you'll get more games where people want a leader or some sort of structure to help them climb. On the objectives it's hard to gauge on the importance of them. I think at the end of the day it depends on how the game is going, and what comps the teams are.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

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That's why pings are loud and annoying so people get pulled away from that tunnel vision. I remember when I was bronze IV early last season, and all I did was chase kills thinking that this was CoD. I realize that people tunnel, but you have to try and pull them from that mindset.

What... Someone climbed out of the pit of Bronze. I always thought that if someone got Bronze IV/V, then they are stuck there and deserve to be there. I've never really known anyone to get past Bronze 4 when they got there. Like one of my friends, 1,000 ranked wins, still Bronze 5 and just constantly bounces between 4 and 5. I think he might've reached Bronze 3 once or twice, but always dropped back the same day or next day, never getting much points in it before dropping. A friend that I play with often, his cousin is stuck in Bronze 4. So I think anyone getting out of the Bronze pit is very rare.

SeargentAnus3 votes

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What... Someone climbed out of the pit of Bronze. I always thought that if someone got Bronze IV/V, then they are stuck there and deserve to be there. I've never really known anyone to get past Bronze 4 when they got there. Like one of my friends, 1,000 ranked wins, still Bronze 5 and just constantly bounces between 4 and 5. I think he might've reached Bronze 3 once or twice, but always dropped back the same day or next day, never getting much points in it before dropping. A friend that I play with often, his cousin is stuck in Bronze 4. So I think anyone getting out of the Bronze pit is very rare.

Well I started ranked season 4 preseason. Hit lvl 30 right as season 3 was ending, and was disappointed I wasn't going to get ranked in the season :/. Did my promo series and went 5-5 I think. Got placed in silver 5. Climbed up to silver 2, and then back down to silver 4. Season 4 started when I hit Silver 4. This season being the year they 'messed with the MMR algorithm' screwed me, and I went 6-4 and got placed in Bronze 4. Was stuck in Bronze 4 for a while because I truly had an MMR around the Bronze 2 range at the time.

In order to climb I looked up Youtube players for tips and tricks. The one that really stuck with me was mastering one champion, so your mechanical skill never hinders your team. The champion I liked playing the most before this was Karma due to her kiting abilities. With Velkoz being released and following the same kiting philosophy I picked him up. Many had already deemed him trash, and garbage for not partaking in mobility creep, but I took the time to learn him.

With Vel being mastered I started spamming him mid, still not wanting to listen to people that he was better in the support position. I straight up went on winning streaks in low bronze and shot up to bronze II in 3 days. (I really hate the II division this is where I always get stuck). Took me 7 series to break into bronze I and then 1 promo to break back into silver. The whole process from getting placed to escaping took me about 3 months. It was summer when I started to truly grind ranked. Got stuck in silver II after quickly climbing. Took me 15 series to break through into silver I, and then 3 promos.

The grind was hard with just using my mechanical skill, and very little tactical knowledge, but it was done.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

Wow. Cool. A story about someone climbing the out of the pit of Bronze. +1 for you. One think I like learning the most is certain mechanics between champs. Like Yasuo and Jax's q. The second one casted, is the one that will land. Jax hop cast after Yasuo knockup, Jax hops over it and wins. Jax hops then Yasuo knockup, knockup wins. and from doing Fizz vs retarded Zeds, right timing, I can troll pole his ult. So that's nice. No hourglass needed for it on him.

Oh, speaking of which. I found something funny. I landed a hook on an Ezreal, and with barely bad timing on his part, he tried to E out of it the instant it landed on him, and it only ended up extending the chain's range. lol. Then I q'd again to go to him. Now that was funny. That was cool to see the chain extend from that.

One I found out a few days ago, that others might already know but I don't play with other Rek'Sais much, is her holes are basically like wards or whatever. Katarina can Shunpo to and stuff. I think Lee can also W to it. I always like finding neat mechanics like that.

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

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Wow. Cool. A story about someone climbing the out of the pit of Bronze. +1 for you. One think I like learning the most is certain mechanics between champs. Like Yasuo and Jax's q. The second one casted, is the one that will land. Jax hop cast after Yasuo knockup, Jax hops over it and wins. Jax hops then Yasuo knockup, knockup wins. and from doing Fizz vs retarded Zeds, right timing, I can troll pole his ult. So that's nice. No hourglass needed for it on him.

Oh, speaking of which. I found something funny. I landed a hook on an Ezreal, and with barely bad timing on his part, he tried to E out of it the instant it landed on him, and it only ended up extending the chain's range. lol. Then I q'd again to go to him. Now that was funny. That was cool to see the chain extend from that.

One I found out a few days ago, that others might already know but I don't play with other Rek'Sais much, is her holes are basically like wards or whatever. Katarina can Shunpo to and stuff. I think Lee can also W to it. I always like finding neat mechanics like that.

If Naut or Mumu throw their Q before a Blitz hook lands, they'll get pulled to their target as their Q lands. So you get pulled to Blitz, and then immediately fly away in the opposite direction. Especially funny with Naut since he can Q to walls, I try to do this once a game against Blitz.

ChimeiTekinaNasu1 votes

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If Naut or Mumu throw their Q before a Blitz hook lands, they'll get pulled to their target as their Q lands. So you get pulled to Blitz, and then immediately fly away in the opposite direction. Especially funny with Naut since he can Q to walls, I try to do this once a game against Blitz.

lol. I think I saw something like this with a Blitz before. Oh. Another trick I recently learned. You know how freaking Thresh's always try to flay a Leona away, right?? I notice that if I time it right and left him cast flay first, then cast Zenith Blade, I go over his retarded flay. lol. That was always so annoying. To get flayed away, and the freaking slow. I hate slows the most, of all cc. but yeah. That was also neat

SexyTaylorSwift2 votes

These things don't work for me. I spam ping and get reported for spamming. People are just dicks and don't listen to people that know what they are doing :/

Clomph2 votes

Oh my god Inhib>Baron>InhibTower>Dragon>OtherTower. This should be written in the bible. SOOOOO many times I've pushed mid and then my entire team leaves to go get dragon instead of taking down inhibitor turret.. I actually lost my last game because a stupid Rek'Sai went drag instead of invading their base.

kitcat3002 votes

Gold III-I seems to be that butter zone where you realize that none of what made you good in silver is good at all, that you have to essentially learn the game again. I hated that T_T

SeargentAnus2 votes

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Gold III-I seems to be that butter zone where you realize that none of what made you good in silver is good at all, that you have to essentially learn the game again. I hated that T_T

I definitely still have a long way to go to reach plat, and I still know I'm pretty bad at this game. It has helped though now that I've looked at ranked less as trying to climb, and more as a way to get better. I've started to look at league much more like a game of chess, or an RTS. Hopefully this look at the game will continue to reward me.

Gear Jammer3 votes

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I definitely still have a long way to go to reach plat, and I still know I'm pretty bad at this game. It has helped though now that I've looked at ranked less as trying to climb, and more as a way to get better. I've started to look at league much more like a game of chess, or an RTS. Hopefully this look at the game will continue to reward me.

well if your gold you better than around 60% of players cause about 50% of players range from b5-s4 so dont be SO hard on your self

xVaseFullofAcidx2 votes

I always try and do this, I end up usually getting flamed when I don't follow my team through the jungle to chase down 1 or 2 enemy champs because im going after their turrets. I always end up having to say kills don't win the game objectives do. There have been so many games that we were way down kills but because my team actually went for objectives we won the game. Sure kills get you the gold you need for items but you are already ahead why continue to chase them with the whole team instead of taking a turret or 2.

I know my opinion might not mean to much because im only in silver 5 with 14 wins, but thats because I know i need to perfect my game before I go into more ranked games, so I dont ruin the players game who is in Silver 5 with over 100 wins.

Sasafrassus Rex2 votes

if someone pings 15 times i usually do the opposite of what they were intending me to do, so annoying...

It Hertz When IP2 votes

This. If they didn't listen the first 5 times, the next ten aren't going to help.

Ginjavitis1 votes

Doesn't really help...in this community if they want kills they will dive and die for it, if they want baron they will let you splitpush to nexus for it. No one wants to listen lol...I recently started playing LAN and you'd be surprised how easy it is to solo carry by getting the udyr on your team to run while you push and the enemy team chases him for a kill...took 4 turrets in one go with azir like that. The spam ping is a double-edged sword yes it alerts, but people willing to listen will already be listening/following while the ones who don;t listen will begin to rage at it. Last, i think your objectives are slightly skewed--- nexus(i have lost many games by people baroning instead of killing this...) >Inhib (pressure) >baron >inhib turrets >drag=inner turrets >outer turrets

Enraged Piglet2 votes

ya inhib is higher then barron because the point of barron is to get inhibs.

SecretAgentHulk1 votes

Yep. As a support main, one of the things I keep getting better at is calling the shots, and it and counterpicks are probably still the areas I need the most work on.

Enraged Piglet1 votes

I was super good at it in s3. Though I quit for a few months and haven't played enough to get my skills back :(.

freeformline1 votes

That, and ask for help warding. If you can civilly convince everyone on your team to place a pink ward or two throughout the game, you'll have a much easier time of it.

MidEvilKnight3k1 votes

I would say you should probably use 3 pings max in one place so that they know you are serious and have no chance of missing it, any more than that and they will probably get mad and ignore all future pings.

deadlychuck1 votes

This is how i carried as zyra support into gold for season 3. I just ran around CCed people and called what to do and when to do it.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Nexus > Inhib AND Inhib turret > Baron > Inhib OR Inhib Turret > All

You'll also need a good sense of what it's possible to accomplish in soloq in terms of teamwork. If your team is in a lane, for fucks sake don't try to herd them to another lane because there'll be 1/2 people that stay and die pointlessly. Mostly just take objectives one at a time and make sure you herd your team to the objectives properly.

SeargentAnus1 votes

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Nexus > Inhib AND Inhib turret > Baron > Inhib OR Inhib Turret > All

You'll also need a good sense of what it's possible to accomplish in soloq in terms of teamwork. If your team is in a lane, for fucks sake don't try to herd them to another lane because there'll be 1/2 people that stay and die pointlessly. Mostly just take objectives one at a time and make sure you herd your team to the objectives properly.

Really I think that the Inhib turrets and Baron are nearly equivalent. Both are extremely impactful if you get them. Think it just depends on whats easier to get before the other.

Some teams seem to herd easy while others seem to be blinder than Lee Sin :/.

Zamiake1 votes

This is exactly why my teams lose to much when im playing. When i make calls people act like they know better and ignore calls. If a support is calling for something ot happen you need to do it immediently. They have the time and most likely all the information needed to make an informed call or emergency play. Its practically their role to insure the team is getting what they need to win. So when u get into a match and ur support calls for something. Remember they are trying to help you win therefore let them make your calls for you and just listen

Im Andru1 votes

The problem I face is that my team gets mad if I spam the pings and ignores them out of spite, but if I don't spam them they just ignore them. I've also found that most of the people in the gold 5 elo don't want to win, they just want kills.

L7xLoTek1 votes

I'm actually surprised they haven't forced you to change your summoner name ^^;;

I more often than not just play with my friends in non-ranked environments, so it doesn't apply that much, but I often try to suggest courses of action rather than forcing the issue. Then again, I'm really not the leading type to begin with :p

Eleshakai1 votes

Just as an aside... I pay attention to a ping if someone pings once or at most twice. If a person spam pings, I ignore them and move on with life.

League of Shorty1 votes

Well done!

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Also in my experience:

Bronze: Either not even trying to play a MOBA as a MOBA, or special cases. Silver: Is playing the game, but fails to understand at least 25% of the many core mechanics, either micro or macro. Gold: A basic understanding of most all aspects of the game. Plat: Basic or near competence at most all aspects of the game. Diamond: What can actually be called "good" in the sense that they go above and beyond competence. Challenger: I'd like to assume it's just 10 Bjergsens running around like Bjergsens every match.

TBH I think if Riot put some basic micro/macro tips in the loading screen instead of "Blitz grabs you with his right hand" 90% of silver would be in gold (in skill level, since gold is only the top 10%) because there are just so many aspects of this game you'll never learn just by playing.

RottedApples1 votes

dragon ranking is pretty dependant on what's going on. 1st and 5th are HIGHLY important. 3rd is generally good but not as important. while 2nd and 4th are situational. If you have a comp that is winning fights but you don't have the damage to take towers. (perhaps your adc is behind and you are mostly tanks/ap) or you have a split pusher/want to finish the game then 2nd dragon can make a big difference. I really only see 4th dragon as a way to waveclear if you are being sieged or if you want to siege. and to be honest you shouldn't have 4 dragons if you are being sieged (which is why it was better at 2nd) unless the enemy is throwing, but it does help against a baroned team.

5th dragon though is more important that baron. If you get 5th drag and the enemy gets baron then you will most likely have comparable stats but you will have more movespeed and you can waveclear the baroned minions thanks to 4th drag and the true damage

SnackieCakes1 votes

100%.

I've been playing for a long time (since beta) and just made it to Plat this last season. I succeed largely because of my teamwork and shot calling, not because I always win lanes or make incredible plays. There are a lot of ways to win!

Curling Veigar1 votes

As Veigar, I got diamond by winning lane every game, roaming bot, killing somone, and getting drag. snowballed bot = gg

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