idea for Athene's Unholy Grail

LilxPaprika··1 votes·450 views

When your mana pool is practically empty, make it so you can never drop below 20 mana. Or if your mana drops below 20, get 20 mana over 5 seconds on top of the regen it offers. spells still cost full amount but will refund after using the spell. i understand it sort of does this. but not that much. the identity of athenes should be to always have mana for at least 1 spell. with brief delay until next spell.

this helps give the last 10% of your mana even greater returns.

i dont get why it scales off your mana, since the point of getting athenes is when you are not getting item 3027 item 3003 you can't spam quite as much but pretty close. i also miss the old passive:

UNIQUE PASSIVE: Increases your mana regeneration by 1% per 1% mana missing

rip ziggs mid lane. the nerf to athene's mr was sufficient the mana regen nerf destroyed ziggs.

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Void Nargacuga1 votes

item 3174 stats and passives: +60 Ability Power +25 Magic Resist +20% Cooldown Reduction +100% Base Mana Regen

UNIQUE Passive: Restores 30% of maximum Mana on kill or assist. UNIQUE Passive - Mana Font: Restores 2% of missing Mana every 5 seconds.

Uh, looks fine to me. I use it with Veigar ALL THE TIME. It works well. Then again, this is just my 2700 (545) gold input. Okay bad gold joke aside. That's just my thought.

Professor Ward1 votes

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item 3174 stats and passives: +60 Ability Power +25 Magic Resist +20% Cooldown Reduction +100% Base Mana Regen

UNIQUE Passive: Restores 30% of maximum Mana on kill or assist. UNIQUE Passive - Mana Font: Restores 2% of missing Mana every 5 seconds.

Uh, looks fine to me. I use it with Veigar ALL THE TIME. It works well. Then again, this is just my 2700 (545) gold input. Okay bad gold joke aside. That's just my thought.

yeah i use this on sona and i seem to sustain mana pretty well for someone who probably spams more than any champ

LilxPaprika1 votes

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yeah i use this on sona and i seem to sustain mana pretty well for someone who probably spams more than any champ

you have 21 utility as sona tho. try sona without any points in utility it likely wont get you nearly as far.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

KeenyLay may be playing Mid Sona for all we know. Anyways. Point we are trying to make is item 3174's unique passives:

UNIQUE Passive: Restores 30% of maximum Mana on kill or assist. UNIQUE Passive - Mana Font: Restores 2% of missing Mana every 5 seconds.

Both of which are really good. Lets say as a Lvl 18 Ziggs with no other mana increasing items you will have (not including runes/masteries): 1184 Mana. Upon getting a kill/assist you get: 355.2 mana whenever you score a Kill or assist.

With its Mana Font passive it become better the more MISSING mana you have. Example: You went crazy and made it so you SOMEHOW (for ease of math hopefully) got a total of 5000 mana. And you have spent it down to 100 mana. You have missing 4900 mana. The math is this: 4900 x 0.02 = 98 mana every 5 seconds. Doesn't sound like much since its so small, but thats a lot in a short amount of time. Add in its +100% Base mana regen as well, THEN finally add in its other unique passive which restores mana on kills or assists by 30% of Max mana. With that absurd amount of mana its other unique now gives you on kills/assists 1500 mana. It really pays for itself if you have absurd burst damage.

LilxPaprika1 votes

idk i tried it on cho gath and was struggling. (despite cho's passive too)

curious did you have doran rings? as cho may prefer going item 1054 in which case its underwhelming.

if you go athenes' regen is what you're after not flat mana. item 3028 is also meant for early game regen, yet thats when ou mana pool is low. it just seems counter to the item's identity to have it scale with how much mana you have.

Also what makes athenes work atm is this:

UNIQUE: Restores 30% of your maximum mana on kill or assist.

prior to that buff it was meh.

item 3222 meanwhile got hit hard, it was better off with old passive. that's why they had to buff support mastery to account for it

perhaps mikael's could keep the old 1% per 1% missing passive since it doesnt have athene's new kill/assist passive.

as support i like the option of not necessarily having to go 21 utility. sometimes 9/4/rest utility etc. or like 0/15/rest utility

LilxPaprika1 votes

those numbers are completely arbitrary. 5000 mana. the entire point of athene is to get a mana regen form that isn't flat for champions with small manapool to work with. and you can't bank on getting kills or assist a lot of time. espeically when you counted upon to hold mid and wave clear or siege etc. its pretty situational. it doesnt help mikael's either.

the 100% base regen is nice but not much different from the old flat regen athenes gave.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions%27_mana say your mana ranges from 320-1070 on average lvl 1-18. thats more realistic. and things are such that you have to defend turret with no sign of team mates arriving anytime soon. no kill/assist to bank on. athenes doesnt cut it.

the old one did however.

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