I expected nothing from matchmaking and I'm still let down
https://i.imgur.com/QATf6hx.jpg
I thought a 50% winrate would put me in hard spots, but not this hard.
EDIT: HE'S AT 25% NOW HHHHHHHHHHHH
Bronze 6 Yasuo12 votesYep. Riot should just stop putting trash cans in random elo and make everyone start at bronze.
General Esdeath 16 votesTerrible idea, it's better to just not put people in a game 5 divisions above them when their win rate is that low.
Bronze 6 Yasuo1 votesThat’s what I was sayiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggg....... [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Wait... I’m confused. Can you please explain in a more clearer way?
General Esdeath 23 votesDropping everyone in bronze by default makes bronze a gamble, and we can't really make a perfect system. However, we could lower someone's average seeking rank when their winrate dips below 40%. NOBODY should be in a game that much higher than their skill level.
Azadethe1 votesDropping everyone in bronze by default makes bronze a gamble, and we can't really make a perfect system. However, we could lower someone's average seeking rank when their winrate dips below 40%. NOBODY should be in a game that much higher than their skill level.
The problem here is, their win rate in a small game sample size might very well be reflective of their skill.
For example: When I made a new account, I was placed in SIlver I, got to Gold V, and had an MMR at Plat IV. My teams were riddled with Plat III-V players as Gold V. Then I picked up the new Evelynn, my teams didn't know how to play with her, even though I was picking 10kill /4 death games. My MMR plummeted, and I dropped from having a 67% win rate to a 42% win rate practically overnight. Furthermore, it's October, end of season and my games have been plagued with Elo boosting services who are trying to boost players up the ladder at the last minute. So my entire sample size is reflective of a time of year when in Gold/Silver, I'm actually facing Diamond+ players when my own team is consisting of regular Silver/Gold players. No matter how much I warn them that there is a 100% win rate Kalista with an 8.73 KDA AVERAGE on the other team, it's almost impossible to prevent Silver/Gold players from snowballing that game for Kalista. I can play my role and pull off 18/7/16 that game, but it doesn't mean much when the Kalista goes 26/1/13, and my team's average performance is like 3/10/7. And then there's the fact they release a 1 hit Galio during this time and some ranked teams don't read patch notes/dodge Galio games....
If I played the account earlier in the season, and Eve wasn't new to everyone, I'd probably still have about a 60-63% win rate. That's what I ran on my previous accounts.
kalima9948 votesTerrible idea, it's better to just not put people in a game 5 divisions above them when their win rate is that low.
If they have a 30% winrate and are still silver 2 it's pretty clear that they were placed way too high
LichKing2345 votesor boosted
General Esdeath 2 votesI agree, but he proposed EVERYONE start at Bronze 5 and work their way up.
The Deckowner11 votesDuo mmr penalty fucks matchmaking, a silver and a low gold player duoing can get them into plat games, ruining the game for the other 3 unlucky player.
Flawless Fetus2 votesThe took away the mmr penalty in season 6.
Mcsquzzy5 votesas a silver scrub, its fun getting people who are doing their provisionals in my promos [cass-cry]
GripaAviara3 votesRiot should stop focusing solely on background MMR and matchmake people based on league.
That way the game can draft a team around for ex S2, where every player mirrored. So let's say you are S2, you get this team: S1 S2 S2 S3 S2 , the opposition gets the exact same team in terms of rank. Also limit premades to 1 div, so bronze can only premade silver (donno if is like this) and matchmake halfway, so: b5 with a S1 , means halfway is b1 so the team: S1 B5 B1 B1 B1 vs the same composition.
This way leagues will actually matter and stupid system that is now with 2 out of 3 and demotions will actually make sense
Limeheart XI3 votesHeh...and that is why you will always be one step behind me, kakarot. for you see, i, the saiyan prince, expected nothing less than this from riot in the first place
REKT Pain Stain2 votesIn most of your games you aren't really doing so well, so why are you getting angry at low elo again?
General Esdeath 16 votesHard to do good when the enemy jungle and bot are fed off of your 1/12 bot then come to you.
Also, why are you copying a comment from Bronze 6 Yasuo on your own post about your toxicity?
[sg-lux-2]
Bronze 6 Yasuo9 votesI hit him hard.
General Esdeath 3 votesToo hard. OOF!
LichKing2341 votesWhat did he say about his toxicicity*[sg-jinx]*
General Esdeath 1 votesCheck his post, it was pretty funny.
TRSpro1 votesHard to do good when the enemy jungle and bot are fed off of your 1/12 bot then come to you.
Also, why are you copying a comment from Bronze 6 Yasuo on your own post about your toxicity?
[sg-lux-2]
You do realize the hypocrisy here right? You didn't do well and try to justify it, but that person doesn't do well and its down to plastic? Everyone has bad games, even diamond/master tier players go on heavy loss streaks. As you said before, sometimes its just teams. You can only really stop 20% of your team from feeding.
General Esdeath 3 votes30% win rate and a 12 loss streak because you're duo with someone =/= a bad game. It means the system sucks ass when it comes to premades. It shouldn't put two silver players in a gold 2 game just because "they're premade so muh communication"
Flawless Fetus1 votesMmr penalty was removed in season 6.
General Esdeath 1 votesThat's even worse. Then the system is just flawed more than I thought.
RekSai Main2 votesjust rewatched kill la kill last night so good
General Esdeath 1 votesIndeed!
NTrumpWeTrust2 votesFast games over quality game. Welcome to modern MM systems
FireDrizzle2 votesstands up, wipes mouth and spits in bin * butttt but but the silver player must have had gold mmr!
SarcasticShepard2 votesI expect trash from matchmaking and am still let down.
LichKing2341 votesthis is funny but shouldnt this be in memes?
General Esdeath 1 votesNah, this is more of a gameplay issue. The meme was just for fun.
Çhåryzård1 votesWhen you're playing Flex queue and see that the enemy team has a 300+ MMR difference than yours and at least 3 plat+ players
And you're Gold 4
Primal Fear1 votesWhen you're playing Flex queue and see that the enemy team has a 300+ MMR difference than yours and at least 3 plat+ players
And you're Gold 4
Then you should be happy because the plats must be boosted since their MMR is that of a gold 4.
Çhåryzård2 votes[{quoted}](name=CV Zephyrin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Laftv5tt,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2017-11-01T21:51:39.529+0000)
Then you should be happy because the plats must be boosted since their MMR is that of a gold 4.
The ranks I see in op.gg are from Solo/duo.
Meaning theyre currently gold-ish flex but Plat+ in solo duo which leaves to a really bad MMR difference since Flex has its own MMR I believe.
General Esdeath 4 votesFlex is trash
Flawless Fetus1 votesYet another reason why flex is a fucking joke. I hit diamond in solo/duo, so I began playing flex for end of season rewards. I'm currently plat 5, and have been seeing 3+ solo q diamonds (including myself) in near every game sense mid gold. It's stupid.
xJLx MCHammer1 votesI once had a 80% winrate in season 5 with only 25 games. The system jumped me from silver to gold really quickly
Then I noticed when I got to gold what the matchmaking system was doing to try and get me to 50% winrate. I automatically called it quits. Legit, it was giving me silver and gold players vs plat players. I manage to win my lane but I cant Help the losing lane that are 0/4/0 by 6-10 min and down half the CS
Screw that!
Octavia1 votes[{quoted}](name=xJLx MCHammer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Laftv5tt,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2017-11-01T22:22:41.496+0000)
I once had a 80% winrate in season 5 with only 25 games. The system jumped me from silver to gold really quickly
Then I noticed when I got to gold what the matchmaking system was doing to try and get me to 50% winrate. I automatically called it quits. Legit, it was giving me silver and gold players vs plat players. I manage to win my lane but I cant Help the losing lane that are 0/4/0 by 6-10 min and down half the CS
Screw that!
you hit your skill wall. The system is trying to keep you down yeah, because you aren't good enough to climb any further. That's the whole point of it.
I manage to win my lane but I cant Help the losing lane that are 0/4/0 by 6-10 min and down half the CS
why aren't you 10/0 at 10 mins? That's my question. That's how you climb. Snowball harder than your team can feed, that is how you climb.
The enemy team is managing, why aren't you? you need to look at how you play and stop blaming everyone but yourself. You are the only consistent to your own losing.
Applesaucey1 votesYou shouldn't be required to go 10/0 every game to win. That expectation is ridiculous. Not to mention that type of high risk play is what makes you a fucking feeder who loses your team the game single handedly when you have an off game. That type of play should be punished not praised.
Octavia1 votesYou shouldn't be required to go 10/0 every game to win. That expectation is ridiculous. Not to mention that type of high risk play is what makes you a fucking feeder who loses your team the game single handedly when you have an off game. That type of play should be punished not praised.
Nobody said every game, I just said that to climb you need to be better than every else consistently.
They are getting punished by losing.
Being better than everyone is not a ridiculous expectation, that's how the system works. You climb until you hit your skill cap and are not better than everyone in your games. To climb further, the only option is get better.
is what makes you a fucking feeder who loses your team the game single handedly when you have an off game.
In the end, you are just as responsible for not doing the same to an enemy player and making them die repeatedly. That's just how League works. If you blame your team for everything you will never get anywhere because you're shifting the blame to some constantly changing force. Focus on the mistakes you make and you might get somewhere, self improvement is the only way you will climb.
Applesaucey1 votesThere is a difference between being required to be better then your opponent and being required to be leaps and bounds better then your opponent. This also doesn't change the fact that the type of high risk high reward game play this encourages is the opposite of what you want to encourage in a competitive environment. If you look historically at teams who have picked up top solo queue players the hardest thing for them to teach the players to turn them into pros. Is that the high risk high reward, solo carry every game , is the exact opposite of the mentality they should have.
Octavia1 votesThere is a difference between being required to be better then your opponent and being required to be leaps and bounds better then your opponent.
You're not required to be leaps and bounds better, that will just make you climb faster. As long as you have a more positive impact than the enemy teams version of you you will win more than 50% of your games and climb.
This also doesn't change the fact that the type of high risk high reward game play this encourages is the opposite of what you want to encourage in a competitive environment
and that's not even true. And its not high risk if you understand the game, watch the map, know the timers for everything and know when to do things using all that knowledge. That is why some players are high level and why others are not.
If you look historically at teams who have picked up top solo queue players the hardest thing for them to teach the players to turn them into pros. Is that the high risk high reward, solo carry every game , is the exact opposite of the mentality they should have.
pro play is irrelevant, they have communication whereas soloq has virtually zero and even then few people listen to it.
At the end of the day, you're blaming your team for your lack of ability to climb, not understanding that you hit your skill level in ranked. This is as good as its getting without improvement from you, no one else.
Octavia1 votesYou shouldn't be required to go 10/0 every game to win. That expectation is ridiculous. Not to mention that type of high risk play is what makes you a fucking feeder who loses your team the game single handedly when you have an off game. That type of play should be punished not praised.
https://i.imgur.com/2nrT2qr.png
Just looking at your games, for a start your CS is very low, only 2/3 of a high level player at best, you have way too many assists you aren't getting the last hits on kills, and you are rarely if ever snowballing at all which should be very easy to do with the right mechanics in silver.
Shiznyte1 votesCould be someone boosting the account TBH, gettin the account to gold and was on a winning streak so his MMR jumped up a bit
General Esdeath 1 votesNah his op/gg says differently https://gyazo.com/c649d8fe5378d751d32777111b61ed7e
Kingdom Corn1 voteshttps://i.gyazo.com/cb419c4541240b806a667669ceb9ca26.png I wont lie its flex queue but still... wth
LazyW0lf1 votesThis is different though since each queue has it's own mmr. OP.gg shows solo ranking in that screenshot so a better test would be to see each players' flex ranking and compare that.
Çhåryzård1 votes[{quoted}](name=Kingdom Corn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Laftv5tt,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2017-11-01T23:40:44.205+0000)
https://i.gyazo.com/cb419c4541240b806a667669ceb9ca26.png I wont lie its flex queue but still... wth
Every single one of my Flex games is like that.
Op.gg only shows solo/duo rank when you look at match history and live games so when I check people's Flex ranks they're around my rank in Flex, but their solo/duo ranks are like plat...
Keylight XD1 voteslet me guess, you were in promo when this happened? xD
General Esdeath 2 votesNope, finally conquered promos.
