In your opinion what are the best and worst reworks?

Eedat··1 votes·1,632 views

----------> This is more focused on the rework concept as opposed to balance on release <---------

We've seen a fair share of reworks that have needed some fine tuning after release, but have/could be brought in line with some numbers adjustments. So again, this is not based on initial balance. I'll start.

#BEST:

Sion: In my opinion the best rework Riot has ever done. Visually and thematically spot on. Old Sion was a goofy model with a bizarre, clunky kit. They reworked him into what felt to match his character perfectly. Sion - The Undead Juggernaut. His kit and appearance really gives him that feel. Charging his team into battle while still feeling fair to play against. Lots of room for counterplay while still feeling rewarding for pulling off. Hats off to you Riot. Well done.

Taric: Might not be the most popular of reworks, but his new kit feels so much more engaging than his old one. You actually feel like you are doing something as opposed to being a super linear, point-and-click CC bot with a targeted heal. His old ult was mostly hidden power so it felt kind of useless. The new Taric is more dynamic and has more things to do in fights. You actually feel like you are helping and his ult is amazing when used properly. All in all he's a much more fun champ to play

#WORST:

Mordekaiser: Not entirely sure what they were trying to do with him. His kit is full of gimmicks and what-the-fuck moments. Absolute balancing nightmare that they had to gutter for a long time because they couldn't deal with it. A melee ADC replacement? That doesnt even make sense because one of the major roles of an ADC is to siege objectives like towers and inhibs from a relatively safe distance. People have finally found a way to play him, but he is 100% completely reliant on Rylai's to function. You can't have a champion that functions around a single item because when that item changes they change with it. And whats with that pet Dragon? I wonder how much of his kit he had to sacrifice for that gimmick.

Ryze: This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. They just can't get him right after multiple reworks. Its a meme at this point lol. What do I have to say that everyone doesnt know already? Riot continually messing up his reworks then reworking him again to try to fix it. His current iteration is almost unplayable on a team of strangers thrown together. He's been relegated to the "Competitive-only" category and been left to rot along with Azir and Kalista.

So how about you?

25 Comments

Rivuo4 votes

If a rework makes a champ extremely nerfed and unplayable then the rework is a failure

See

Shen

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

That goes completely against what he was asking about. Also Shen wasn't incredibly nerfed (and his post-rework state was in the exact same situation)

Rivuo2 votes

{quoted}

That goes completely against what he was asking about. Also Shen wasn't incredibly nerfed (and his post-rework state was in the exact same situation)

Im pretty sure you can assume which champion i think has the worst rework from my original post

see

Shen

paperbIade2 votes

BestSion WorstVeigar

veigarbage can1 votes

this

500k mastery point Veigar Main Approved. B^)

paperbIade1 votes

{quoted}

this

500k mastery point Veigar Main Approved. B^)

I miss the old stun

Jbels2 votes

Best: Sion Poppy

Worst: Mordekaiser Second Ryze

S0kaX2 votes

Best: Dunno Worst: Shen

yoshi27901 votes

I would Add Fiora and Poppy

Because they rock now :)

Alpha Samsuni1 votes

Fiora traded viability for beauty

Big Lincoln1 votes

best

Darius more engaging for everyone involved and undoubtedly the golden standard of juggernauts. strong self-synergy in his own kit means he isn't horribly item reliant and his passive rewards him for staying in fights. very good rework and imo much better than most of the full VGUs we've gotten with far less work involved

Sion has too much counterplay right now but it's not hard to do better than old sion.

worst

Mordekaiser obvious reasons, i went from mord enthusiast to refusing to play him

Taric used to be one of my most played supports, he is absolute garbage now. shit voice, shit lore, and besides his E and passive, a shit kit. zero satisfaction to most of what he does and his ult should straight-up just be replaced

middle ground Poppy because she's pretty enjoyable but there is no argument that can be made as to why she shouldn't have been a melee carry instead. at the very least she should have been an offensive tank; everything except her ultimate screams aggression

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

.....what? Taric?

Big Lincoln1 votes

yes, that is what i put

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

You mean the champion that went from pretty much unviable to the one that won the game for a wildcard team against last years second place? That Taric?

Big Lincoln1 votes

oh wow, that anecdotal evidence completely changes my personal enjoyment of the champion

fuck off

DarkRitual1 votes

I had mastery 5 on old Taric. He was far from unviable.

S0kaX1 votes

I'm surprised somebody didn't come and write about the worst remake ever being Fiora

Irelia Bot1 votes

Best: Karma

Worst: Karma

They did several things right and several things wrong with karma

They made her effect and a highly versatile utility mage but at the same time she lost her identity.

ThugWalrus1 votes

My favorites are Gangplank and Poppy although I also like Taric Mordekaiser is probably the worst, although he wasn't really anything special beforehand. Dishonorable mentions for bad reworks go to Shen and Malzahar

Anonagon1 votes

Best: Gangplank, Graves, Sion Worst: Malzahar, some other MYMU updates So Close But So Far: Poppy

Requiemsfire1 votes

Best: Ryze, Poppy, Taric Worst: Mordekaizer, Skarner, Garen

BEST

Ryze has become a new favourite pick of mine leading me to practice a number of his combos, his waveclear is just spectacular and fun, in terms of gameplay this ryze hits the mark as far as enjoyment goes, I'm still learning to use him correctly but he is just phenominal though i must admit his ult is hard to use.

Poppy took the old Poppy left in a rather pitiful state and placed her into this new niche of being a bodyguard with one of the most interesting balance mechanics in the game. Her steadfast presence which blocks all incoming or outgoing dashes and a very powerful disengage ultimate.

Taric Don't even get me started, this rework has persuaded me to actually pick him up unlike his older self where I would just throw in the occasional stun and sit there auto attacking the enemy. It's given him a new role, with sustaining his allies, keeping the main carry alive and gifted one of the most game changing ultimates to date.

Worst

Garen I personally play Garen and I thought he plenty fun really, but they didn't create a less binary or give him options to enter the fight with. I chose him because i liked most of the reworks but Garen's falls short because of what it really accomplished.

Mordekaiser's current state really speaks for itself, he is a sustain juggernaut-style champion with incredibly high burst but completely lacks any form of CC, movement steroid or gap closer while being mostly at melee range leading him to having an incredibly major weakness and that's being kited, preventing him from using his stronger abilities. He's very weak early on and relies solely on item 3116 to compensate for that weakness despite it being a significant early game investment.

Skarner is really strong, I admit that, he works in many comps, he can control the map with his crystals and is very good at isolating that one important target and dragging him to his doom. But while this is a really strong niche to be placed in for Skarner, he feels very boring to play which loses it's appeal all together.

Do i think the juggernaut update was a failure, I would say yes.

Rip Rengo 20161 votes

Best: Sion Ashe Darius WorstShen Fiora

PulsarPollo1 votes

Cringe

WoonStruck1 votes

Current Ryze is more powerful than the old one. He just doesn't have perma-snare anymore.

His ultimate is an additional skill, basically. He has all of his old power, if not more, in his basic abilities.

NastyMcOutplay1 votes

Yorick

More from Gameplay

More by Eedat