Anybody remember when Nidalee was broken and nerfed hard because of how potent fishing for Qs was?

WoonStruck·Feb 16, 2018·4 votes·877 views

Let's take a look at 's Q now:

Similar range

Similar base damage

Area of Effect ability

Faster movement

Significantly higher AP ratio

Significantly lower CD throughout the game

Lower mana cost throughout the game

Additionally has 145-400 bonus damage based on level

Additionally activates her passive twice for a potential 12 - 135 (based on level) (+ 25% AP) additional damage

This isn't even considering how much safer Zoe's kit is, nor is it considering how overloaded the rest of her kit is compared to Nidalee.

Meanwhile she only gets a CD lovetap on her Q, adding an additional 1-0.25 seconds, based on rank.

Great balance/design team we have here now.

Kick out Meddler and bring back Morello pls.

10 Comments

Diamond2KappaFeb 16, 20185 votes

safer

Nidalee = low cooldown mobility + heal Zoe = ? heh

WoonStruckFeb 16, 20183 votes

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Nidalee = low cooldown mobility + heal Zoe = ? heh

Zoe plays much further back and gets free summoner spells.

FOR JUSTICEFeb 16, 20181 votes

only when either you use one, or a minion drops it after she kills it. zoning is key.

AzadetheFeb 16, 20181 votes

You overvalue summoners, and don't value learning counterplay.

I can 1v1 Zoe on Nami, the lowest base HP champ in the game!

P.S. that's not the only nerf she's getting.

She's already got 5 nerfs and there's 3 more coming in 8.4:

-Q can only proc Passive once instead of twice. -E gets global cc reduction treatment and can be cleansed, Tenacitied, etc. -W can no longer drop Teleport (They already removed Hextech Gunblade too) -E is losing its cooldown reduction when hitting champions (used to be when it hit a TARGET, but was reduced to champs, now is getting removed altogether)

I think you really need to learn how to fight champs/read updates incoming before complaining. She doesn't even need these nerfs. She has under a 50% win rate. I can face tank her with every champ I play, including Nami (and kill her); I mean..... she has a perma Zhonya's in her kit: you know exactly where she's going to be 1 second after she ults, and she doesn't do killing damage at short range)

LyingOnLineFeb 16, 20183 votes

And you could never engage on or chase a Nidalee.

Like, I get the frustration. But they're already going to be nerfing her again.

SwiftKitten88Feb 17, 20181 votes

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And you could never engage on or chase a Nidalee.

Like, I get the frustration. But they're already going to be nerfing her again.

i agree not many champs can chase nid, but if you engage on her she HAS to run. because she cant really kill you even if she does land a spear in melee range becuase she still relies on her takedown damage which is increases based on % missing hp... so if the spear hit for barely anything becuase it didnt travel very far.. she prob will wont win the 1v1. becuase the folow up takedown will do even less damage. which is items like item 3812 are strupid strong becuase even if they WILL take that 30% extra damage in 3 seconds. i cant wait 3 seconds before going in to takedown becuase id be dead or my hunted proc will go away.

so not only will the spear pounce swpie and takeodown and pounce 30% less burst damage.. but the takedown itself will do less damage becuase it hit while they prob only lose 5% of that 30% damage that was delayed. because its based on missing hp. and since each spell that hit before it was also reduced by 30% it pretty much cuts my damage by over half..

the lower you are the more damage nid can do to you.

JamareeFeb 16, 20185 votes

Zoe’s doesn’t do more unless she paddles it back, on that note, you can’t just look at one ability and go like “ why is this just better?”

Unlike Nidalee, Zoe isn’t as mobile, you jump in her, she just dies, also, she lacks sustain reliably, can’t escape without spell thief there to help.

EchostormxxFeb 17, 20182 votes

All of these people are acting like you can dodge all her abilities 100% of the time. This is simply not true. If the game goes past 20 minutes, which I can assure you it sometimes will, if your teammates do not know how to deal with her, you lose. I completely agree with you, she's literally nidalee on stereroids but safer. If a champion needs 5 nerfs to become balanced, it simply shouldn't have been added to the game in the first place. It's clear that someone either slapped this shit together to have a champion to release in the meantime of worlds or fell asleep halfway through designing it and said "Fuck it" let's just leave her q as it is, let it do 1500 damage and give her a 3 second CD stun (late game, not early)

NetorareFeb 17, 20181 votes

Oh look another Zoe qq thread, dont worry she's gonna get nerfed but that wont change the fact that some people just dont want to dodge her skill shots and then they wonder why they die...(tbh the best way to counter zoe is playing something fair like a mage instead of a boring assassin because it feels more satisfying to kill zoe when u play another mage)