"So is Phantom Dancer better now?"

Social Justice 1·Jan 16, 2015·2 votes·601 views

When was it not better than Shiv? It just costs more and people would rather put that money into working on their LW or BT.

Notable exceptions: Champs that need the shiv proc to waveclear.

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Knight SoIaire Jan 16, 20151 votes

When was it not better than Shiv?

in like most cases vayne takes shiw cause she is fast graves would take shiw for additional burst exceptions would be champs who need that 10% crit more like tristana but she is getting a minor rework now

anyway adc's fawoured shiw over pd

Universal BoopJan 16, 20151 votes

The reason shiv is good is because 1. it's cost effective. 2. the magic damage proc/crit is amazing if you want to mix up your damage, if they enemy team is building straight armor for you get a shiv and the magic damage will hurt.

OrbvJan 16, 20151 votes

I always took phantom dancer. The unit collision aspect is so useful. The crits from that extra 10% make up enough to not need the shiv crit

Drunk RummateJan 16, 20151 votes

not really, a big part of shiv is the upfront burst damage it gives in duels and the AOE it gives in teamfights.

ArknaJan 16, 20151 votes

Shiv lets you shove without spending mana, and since there's more armor than MR in the average game, will be better for your damage short term. It's also cheaper and builds out of a gold generating item to boot. Given that, in general, shiv will be more useful, it will, in general, be built more often.

ErockandrollJan 16, 20151 votes

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When was it not better than Shiv? It just costs more and people would rather put that money into working on their LW or BT.

Notable exceptions: Champs that need the shiv proc to waveclear.

Sometimes when I am Behind, I would get shiv, Partially because it builds out of Avarice blade. I can use it to catch up.

One Champ I'll probably get PD on more often is Jinx. She does not need wave clear from Shiv yet her own form of Wave clear works well with Critical strike chance.

Teridax68Jan 16, 20151 votes

Shiv is burstier, cheaper, more poke-friendly and gives better waveclear, as opposed to Phantom Dancer which is better-suited for single-target DPS. For most champions, IE + Shiv is (or at least was) enough crit to work even against tanks in teamfights, on top of all its other effects, so it tends to get picked more. That, and I suspect Shiv is just the more fun item: Phantom Dancer is a stat stick, whereas Statikk Shiv has this awesome lightning effect you get to apply really often, so I guess players tend to gravitate more towards the cooler-looking item.