A summoner spell shouldn't be required to make a champ function

xDogMeatx··4 votes·1,366 views

Aka flash on Annie example it's practically required on her and others who depend on it JUST TO FUNCTION. it's a bad mobility spell proof is that everyone takes it. Let's not mention how it's required in every game. I don't see why flash isn't just "put" on every champ and that's it no other 1000 dashes needed. It's bad design (again saying this) for a champ for flash just to function.

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Dynikus3 votes

Annie doesn't need flash to function. They're specifically giving her tools even so she can use tibbers easier. Predator, move speed of any kind, spellbinder, protobelt, and the 50% movespeed they're adding to her e are plenty.

xDogMeatx2 votes

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Annie doesn't need flash to function. They're specifically giving her tools even so she can use tibbers easier. Predator, move speed of any kind, spellbinder, protobelt, and the 50% movespeed they're adding to her e are plenty.

They gave her 50% ms??? That's nuts how long is that speed up.

Pyrosan1 votes

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They gave her 50% ms??? That's nuts how long is that speed up.

It's 1.5s and it decays starting at 50%

Dynikus1 votes

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They gave her 50% ms??? That's nuts how long is that speed up.

On the PBE currently: Molten Shield (E) [New] "Annie now gains 50% bonus movement speed that depreciates quickly over 1.5 seconds." Damage reduction lowered from 16/22/28/34/40 to 8/11/14/17/20 Cooldown increased from 10s to 15s Mana cost increased from 20 to 40

Cind3rkick3 votes

. it's a bad mobility spell proof is that everyone takes it.

If everyone takes it then surely it's a great spell?

Flash on Annie is like flash on blitz or alistar. It's used to surprise enemies with cc

She doesn't need it, she jist has a harder time catching people out with her AOE stun/numerous

No champions need a summer spell to function (excluding smite in jungle), it just makes the champ easier to play.

xDogMeatx2 votes

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If everyone takes it then surely it's a great spell?

Flash on Annie is like flash on blitz or alistar. It's used to surprise enemies with cc

She doesn't need it, she jist has a harder time catching people out with her AOE stun/numerous

No champions need a summer spell to function (excluding smite in jungle), it just makes the champ easier to play.

If it's not needed then why does burst mages take it? It's a spell that's garbage (not useless ofc) due to its design perspective assuming a champion power budget behind it. That fact that everyone takes it pretty much says that instead of going say heal/cleanse diversity.

It's quite easy to disagree though which is funny instead of thinking outside the box.

Again what makes it garbage isn't the utility on it, its the fact it have 0 counterplay to the enemy side because it offers false security distance of "hmmm I should be safe in this range" range because juggernauts like garen inflate this example. It's a great spell but a garbage design in other words.

Jamaree2 votes

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If it's not needed then why does burst mages take it? It's a spell that's garbage (not useless ofc) due to its design perspective assuming a champion power budget behind it. That fact that everyone takes it pretty much says that instead of going say heal/cleanse diversity.

There are like three champions in the game that don’t take flash?

And heal cleanse is trash because most champions don’t have the escapes in their kits to realistically take that option?

xDogMeatx1 votes

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There are like three champions in the game that don’t take flash?

And heal cleanse is trash because most champions don’t have the escapes in their kits to realistically take that option? what 3 champs are those anyways

W is for Wombo1 votes

Shaco doesn't take Flash when jungling usually, but that's the only example I can think of that's become normalized.

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

well true but shaco can actually go unsealed spell book and end up with flash if needed

W is for Wombo1 votes

Fair.

Jamaree1 votes

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what 3 champs are those anyways

Hecarim, Shaco, Yuumi, SOMETIMES Try

xDogMeatx1 votes

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Hecarim, Shaco, Yuumi, SOMETIMES Try

Tryndamere ?

Jamaree1 votes

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Tryndamere ?

Yeah, he sometimes takes ghost instead of Flash since he has a built in one.

chipndip12 votes

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If everyone takes it then surely it's a great spell?

Flash on Annie is like flash on blitz or alistar. It's used to surprise enemies with cc

She doesn't need it, she jist has a harder time catching people out with her AOE stun/numerous

No champions need a summer spell to function (excluding smite in jungle), it just makes the champ easier to play.

Riot has said themselves that the game's balanced around Flash. Some people go against the wave once in a while but Flash is low-key required.

Pika Fox1 votes

Flash shouldnt be put onto every kit. Just either rework it or remove it. Unfortunately, its too late in the games life to really fix flash.

xDogMeatx2 votes

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Flash shouldnt be put onto every kit. Just either rework it or remove it. Unfortunately, its too late in the games life to really fix flash.

It's not a bad spell it's a bad design that makes the spell disgusting.

DBS Ronovon1 votes

This should tell you that bad positioning or good positioning is half the battle. Flash is about positioning, going all in, mistakes, and escapes.

MrEnds1 votes

ever heard of yuumi

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