Shall I be the first one to pick the downvote wave?

DoktorKaiser··6 votes·450 views

Took me 1 game to see that Kayn will be the next big cancer champion. He is the most slippery champion I have ever seen, he can actually be constantly untargetable for 10 seconds at least, and I thought Fizz is toxic. He heals for ridiculous amounts of health (in his red form) which makes him near impossible to kill combined with his extreme windows of untargetability. He has huge base damage which lets him go very tanky but he still deals a fuckton of damage, pretty similar to Camille. His knockup has the shortest cast time possible, its practically instant and has a huge hitbox making it impossible to miss unless enemy uses mobility. I said the same thing about Rakan, I was very wrong and actually I think he is useless now unless paired with Xayah, but I am pretty sure on this one, he has the healing of a Mundo plus the lifesteal, the base stats and build style of Camille and untargetability 2-3 times higher than Fizz and is also very mobile and can flank every time very easily, I mean ffs he can go through walls and actually gets rewarded for it with movement speed... He needed to be forced into going full damage RIOT, you fucked up once again by letting him go tanky. I predict 3-5 months of pain and torture.

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PlsTouchMeGently8 votes

1 game played= knows everything he needs to about the champion -_-

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I am just stating what I saw, the red form is gamebreaking in my honest opinion, I am usually right about this stuff since I am not an idiot and can put 2 and 2 together. The only times when I was very wrong is when I thought Rakan will be the most broken support by far and when I thought that Jhin will not be op at all. I am very scared, the worlds patch is soon which means he probably wont get any changes and that means 2 thins:

  1. he will dominate worlds
  2. we will have to wait 3 months at least for any significant changes
Ahristocats4 votes

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Took me 1 game to see that Kayn will be the next big cancer champion.

took me 0 game to see it His passive is literally a better morde passive while morde trades it for no mobility no cc

I said he was going to be the best draintank in the game no one listened just go rhaast build bork+death dance+grasp+full tank and enjoy

DoktorKaiser4 votes

This guy went warriors+BC+titanic and full tank, almost 4000 hp, we bring him to 250 he ults and heals back to 75% of health. Now I might, just might be ok with this if he was a squishy champ with some lifesteal like Draven, but when a 4000 beast heals for 2500 hp I am kind of upset tbh.

Penns1 votes

Hm, I think he is strong but not THAT good.. wouldnt really go bork either tbh xd

Arakadia1 votes

It's not better in everyway:

  • Morde passive can extend beyond max health.
  • Morde shield is not really fucking hard gimped by GW.
  • Morde passive is super oppressive in lane, while Kayn isn't intended to lane and doesn't get a super oppressive passive all game.

I know you didn't say it's better in everyway, but Morde passive does have it's own advantages.

Ahristocats2 votes

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It's not better in everyway:

  • Morde passive can extend beyond max health.

not really an adventage considering that it's rare for a morde to have full hp+full shield at the begining of a fight

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  • Morde shield is not really fucking hard gimped by GW.

Even with GW kayn healing is still superior

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  • Morde passive is super oppressive in lane, while Kayn isn't intended to lane and doesn't get a super oppressive passive all game.

that's the only adventage

what you forgot: -morde shield decays -morde shield is a shield, it doesn't heal him and sustain him -morde shield doesn't work on items and on hit effects and autoattacks

and for that morde loses mobility and cc

Arakadia1 votes

I didn't forget any of that. I was saying that Morde and Kayn have their own strengths to each passive.

Kayn's passive doesn't work on ANYTHING but spells. So in that way its like Morde's which you said was exclusive to Morde.

MaropaL21 votes

meanwhile he gets locked into the terrain and cannot get through 200armor 170 magic resist on lv 1 :)

Just so you know: Jinx&Mundo gave me a Godlike (2v1 lane) Mundos healing is shit compared to my damage&stun :D

PePsiLemoNN1 votes

Copy-paste this thread and keep it in a notepad. Now everyone will say ''hurr durr new champ , hurr durr l2p against him'' , post it in a few weeks when people might see that literally healing from 300 hp to 2000 from R is bs.

Durzaka2 votes

For him to heal 1700 damage from just his R he would need to deal nearly 2k damage with JUST the ult. Which deals 10% max hp damage (+13% per 100 bonus AD).

Balanced or not, making up bullshit does nothing to further your argument.

PePsiLemoNN2 votes

item 3812 + passive healing . I can make 2 screenshots before and after he ulted if you want ;)

Emerald Fang2 votes

It still does a shit ton of damage. With 300 AD that's virtually half of an enemy's max HP by going up to them and clicking. Veigar does the same thing sure but at least he doesn't HEAL off of it and it leaves him vulnerable. He gets untargetability off of it. Wtf

Durzaka1 votes

untargetable for 10 seconds at least

In order to get that you needs his E maxed, AND to not be in combat. AND then to use his ultimate.

Those are some pretty fucking big conditions to be untargetable for so long.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

How is that a big condition. To be level 18 and have ulti available ? I dont get it :(

MooooooooreDakka1 votes

And out of combat, and next to or at least very close to a wall.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

Yeah this game really has a lack of walls. Not to mention he can fly off the fucking map, just smh. I facepalmed hard when Camille was released but this champion is just terrible, everything screams gamebreaking. I have no idea where this game is going any more honestly, last season the champs were fantastic, simple and well designed and this season we have these abominations.

Fear the Kayn1 votes

He's actually pretty weak from what I've seen tbh.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

Probably bad players or they picked the blue form which has more damage but has no hard sustain like the red version that I am complaining about. Still even in blue form he comes through the wall and 1 shots a squishy in 0.5 seconds. Really unfun to play against, Rengar was reworked for that shit...

Arakadia1 votes

He's really squishy when I played against him.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

He should have built 2 damage items into full tank to fully abuse the champion. When he is full AD he has too much burst but he can be killed easily, so I guess he is ok then. But when full tank...

rtbf2216514121 votes

Rakan is useless?

What game are you playing? It clearly isn't league of legends.

Just because he is underplayed and doesn't have a good winrate (because people don't know how to play him/with him) doesn't mean he doesn't have the best CC i've seen. Ever.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

I hate his laning phase when you are not having the superior matchup, he is great for snowballing but he terrible for trying to comeback since all he can do is engage and he is rather squishy early-mid game :(

rtbf2216514121 votes

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I hate his laning phase when you are not having the superior matchup, he is great for snowballing but he terrible for trying to comeback since all he can do is engage and he is rather squishy early-mid game :(

The only problem I have had with him is bad teammates.

Which Riot seems to endorse on Ranked on a continuous basis because they clearly do nothing about it.

Salron1 votes

His ult makes him untargetable for 3s at max E does not make him untargetable, don't spread blatant lies

DoktorKaiser1 votes

Oh sorry I should have just kept chasing him through walls, how stupid am I right?? Stop spewing shit please, 90% of roster cant get to him once he goes into the wall, not to mention the texture walls on the edges when he is almost fully unreachable. Combined with his ulti he both heals a fuckton and is untargetable, totally broken !!!

The Sword Saint1 votes

He's supposed to have the option of building tanky like a fighter or glass like an assassin, that's literally the point of why he has the option to spec into fighter form or assassin form.

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