explain why QSS/Mercurial isn't equal to zhonias?

LilxPaprika·Feb 19, 2016·1 votes·456 views

with recent usage of sterak to survive bursts, why aren't adc satisfied with qss?

what could we do to qss to help it perform its task. or should we create another item all together?

are good supports the answer? if so should supports be that glued to their adc?

5 Comments

NahuiFeb 19, 20161 votes

Well the difference is that Zhonya's protects you for 2.5 seconds guaranteed, making or breaking a play very often. As a carry, Zhonya is almost perfect assurance vs instantly dying for 2.5 seconds. QSS is simply a CC break/Debuff removal. Now that's nice vs something like Zed's deathmark or Lissandra's Ult, but what happens when Yi Alpha Strikes you or Tryndamere spins to you. What can QSS do for you there? What will QSS really do vs Mundo munching your face off? Negate one slow, couple seconds later another? What will QSS do for you vs veigar's ult when it's about to hit you for 1400?Nothing.

Now I don't play ADC at all, however Zhonya's generally has more uses and more saving power than QSS. But, QSS can break CC, that which Zhonyas cannot. So it has perks so it's not straight inferior, but it is undeniably lower on the power spectrum.

FusarixFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Well the difference is that Zhonya's protects you for 2.5 seconds guaranteed, making or breaking a play very often. As a carry, Zhonya is almost perfect assurance vs instantly dying for 2.5 seconds. QSS is simply a CC break/Debuff removal. Now that's nice vs something like Zed's deathmark or Lissandra's Ult, but what happens when Yi Alpha Strikes you or Tryndamere spins to you. What can QSS do for you there? What will QSS really do vs Mundo munching your face off? Negate one slow, couple seconds later another? What will QSS do for you vs veigar's ult when it's about to hit you for 1400?Nothing.

Now I don't play ADC at all, however Zhonya's generally has more uses and more saving power than QSS. But, QSS can break CC, that which Zhonyas cannot. So it has perks so it's not straight inferior, but it is undeniably lower on the power spectrum.

Zhonyas is a stronger item with regards to saving you from more situations. HOWEVER -- you have the complete item which costs soooo much gold before you get that insane active. QSS on the other hand, as a defensive item, becomes effective with a relatively low cost before you upgrade it to mecurial

NahuiFeb 19, 20161 votes

Yup. that's the trade off, but when buying an item, you accpt that you'll be getting the end result eventually. You don't buy QSS and then sell it late game for another item. So, comparing both late game items, zhonya's is a better investment. Also, seekers is a really good item stats wise. QSS is very lack luster in the stats. You get an almost useless stat by itself (MR) and an active which is useful, but when on cooldown, it's just a useless piece of stat cloth. Armguard gives permanent tankiness vs at least part of the team (ADC, assassins which is the only reason you'd rush this item, top lane typically) and more damage. The gold you spend on armguard permanently stays with you, and improves in efficiency as time goes on (Farming to stack it) while QSS loses a chunk of the gold you invest in it upon use, which very often may not even save you. QSS is much riskier, and if it fails, you've basically wasted 1300g for that fight as opposed to armguard that can't ever "fail". The gold is permanent.

LilxPaprikaFeb 19, 20161 votes

Thats essentially what I see as well.

I think its its ability to buy time that is so useful. Both for your spells to go on cooldown and for team mates to rescue you/follow up. . or even all together avoid taking over time dmg. like say poison/burn/bleed from or a slew of aoe dmg.

but then if you factor having a dedicated support adc's should have it made. At high elo esp. perhaps not in solo queue. the question then is are supports meant to be conjoined to the adc? mikeals/fotm a must?

read this post on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/46f6jw/steraks_isnt_the_problem_the_lack_of_viable/

but still feel kind of clueless as to how to fix this. Because tbh steraks on adcs is scary. at least when you zhonia you can't return fire.