A reasonable Thornmail Buff.

EzraTwitch·11/2/2016, 7:42:29 PM·16 votes·1,577 views

Serrated Spikes Active: For the next 10 Seconds anyone who takes damage from Thorn-mail has Grievous Wounds. (30 second Cooldown).

We have Grievous Wounds for AD and AP how about a tank.

89 Comments

doiminat0r360011/3/2016, 1:31:49 AM6 votes

As it has been mentioned many many times on the boards, and as it has also been said many many times on those threads: #Grievous Wounds was meant to combat lifesteal as was Thornmail.

You can't stack the two otherwise, tanks will be able to just stand there with 400 armor against full AD teams and get a penta.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo11/2/2016, 7:53:00 PM4 votes

item 3075 isnt meant to be a damage item

it be lìke that11/2/2016, 10:37:34 PM2 votes

when will people understand thornmail isnt meant to reduce healing? it was specifically designed to counter lifesteal.

which it does fairly well, just not many champions make use of lifesteal anymore.

which has brought it to a niche item where the enemy has a few ad reliant champions.

Besthunterjk11/3/2016, 4:17:44 AM2 votes

Nah, let's not do that

Saianna11/3/2016, 7:14:43 AM2 votes

I'd also go for true damage

Spoofghoul11/3/2016, 10:22:59 AM2 votes

i would propose a 1,5 second grievous wounds debuff

that would stop lifestealing

It is too easy to buy one of these item 3139 item 3156 item 3026 item 3102 and render the return damage it ineffective, or simply pick warlords bloodlust, which when combined with the 30 base mr would already outheal thornmail Lifesteal is very accessible as is mr these days

Other options include to make it also scale with bonus health so you can make it scale up faster and harder

But at the very least it should get 200 health, thats very easy to accomplish by adding item 1028 in its build

Basically what i would like to see is this item 1031 +item 1031 +item 1028 + 850 gold = item 3075 2900 gold 100 armor 200 health Unique: Reflects 15% of the physical damage taken (+ 25% bonus armor)(+2,5% Bonus health) from basic attacks and on-hit effects back to its source as magic damage (Calculated before any resistances or reductions are taken into account).

well you get the idea, this way it would be competing with the other 3 big armor items, except those offer more health and this one offers more armor.

Tychusfindlay91911/3/2016, 2:23:45 PM2 votes

I propose it specifically target lifesteal instead of all healing, otherwise this would be a huge nerf to juggernauts who interact with tanks on the frontline.

Darius DrMundo Illaoi etc.

Swiftstrike411/2/2016, 8:14:08 PM2 votes

I think if the item cost was raised and it offer a bit more armor AND one ruby crystal it wouldn't be that bad of an item for a tank.

Right now there are just better tank options and no one should be building thornmail beside a couple champions.

item 3143 item 3742 item 3068 item 3025 item 3110 should all be built over if you are a tank over item 3075.

I am surprised it is even on the recommendation page for any champion. It is one of the worst items in the game just because there are way better tank options.

Edit: Oh I will even add item 3512 AND item 3026 are BOTH better than thornmail as well since they cover two resistances and both have a passive that is relevant.