so many games without any adc on botlane that's sad... even for the supps

MOuHahaHAhahaaaa·Jun 24, 2018·10 votes·5,792 views

So my question is where are they going now ?

are they homeless ?

i have seen heimer - fiddle

yasuo - Malphite ap

YI - Kayle

Yi taric

so many comp to play against when you as an adc or you as a supp you can do nothing ...

You get one shot and you as a supp you can do nothing ?

So the old meta is definitively dead ?

Where are ranged adc going now ? Homeless ?

now if you aren't a damage supp or if you can't give any invicibility for the one you are supporting you are trash too...

Not only ranged adc are homeless many supps are actually too...

it makes more champs that riot will need to rework because those new changes made them crap...

were those changes really good ? now there are some champs that literraly disappeared from being played...

23 Comments

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Jun 24, 20187 votes

Why would anyone play adc? Unless you like kaisa there is not point they suck ass. They went from being 1 shot by everything and doing damage to being 1 shot by everything and doing no damage. By next season every game will probably just be 10 tanks or the odd bruiser since everything else just gonna get nerfed to shit

PrinceOfStormsJun 24, 20182 votes

No, they went from deciding the game if they hit their 3 item powerspike first, after which they oneshot everything not a tank, to needing to be on at least 4 items to reach that same powerspike, at which point their damage is in line with other lanes - and since they build full damage they just explode, as they should.

ISLAMICWARRIOR99Jun 24, 20182 votes

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No, they went from deciding the game if they hit their 3 item powerspike first, after which they oneshot everything not a tank, to needing to be on at least 4 items to reach that same powerspike, at which point their damage is in line with other lanes - and since they build full damage they just explode, as they should.

ADC are literally so bad atm they aren't the best choice in any lane.

Malix FarwinJun 24, 20184 votes

Well its like this:

Non - Crit Marksmen are still viable and good bot and you do see them Kaisa Ezreal Draven Lucian MissFortune .

Scaling ones are the problem right now and they are getting buffed.

The main reason that you are not seeing marksmens bot(throughout the history of league the pool of meta ADCs have always been this small) is because more things are viable down there.

What this meta is teaching people is a lot of people going bot lane do not want to play ADC, as simple as that. If it were otherwise you would see those meta adcs filling the bot lane just like when it was the opposite and crit adcs dominated.

MOuHahaHAhahaaaaJun 24, 20187 votes

back during season 5 this game was perfect the adc didn't deal too much but it was sufficient to do the job and for people want to play them. Moreover the one shots were less frequent... With the damage values being so high this season its normal that this happenned.... Riot buffed them like godzilla = the community wasnt happy => after this they nerfed them so much and made so many changes to the meta that they nearly killed them... Riot just lost the formula how to have things balanced...

IcyPepperJun 24, 20183 votes

A major issue is that having them be mandatory for so long has made bot lane boring for some of us, especially support players.

I don't speak for everyone (people seem pretty divided on this, and it would be stupid for me to act like it isn't), but fun and variety are still factors that can be separate from balance; the current chaos in bot lane is fun despite how unstable and unbalanced it is. Even when I lose terribly, I've had the time of my life in this patch seeing how different match-ups interact.

edit: Well, can you say I'm wrong? Were marksman not mandatory for several years in a row in the same lane? It's not fair for them to get dumpstered, but you can at least try to understand where the rest of us are coming from if we want a solution that benefits as many people as possible. Just downvoting people you don't agree with and not even bothering to discuss isn't going to get us anywhere.

OtterlyLostJun 24, 20184 votes

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A major issue is that having them be mandatory for so long has made bot lane boring for some of us, especially support players.

I don't speak for everyone (people seem pretty divided on this, and it would be stupid for me to act like it isn't), but fun and variety are still factors that can be separate from balance; the current chaos in bot lane is fun despite how unstable and unbalanced it is. Even when I lose terribly, I've had the time of my life in this patch seeing how different match-ups interact.

edit: Well, can you say I'm wrong? Were marksman not mandatory for several years in a row in the same lane? It's not fair for them to get dumpstered, but you can at least try to understand where the rest of us are coming from if we want a solution that benefits as many people as possible. Just downvoting people you don't agree with and not even bothering to discuss isn't going to get us anywhere.

I would see where you were coming from if anyone on the boards would see where ADCs were coming from. Even if they were "mandatory" before, it was still better than them not getting to exist and being pretty much forced out of their only lane by bruisers and mages. No one seems to care that the only lane some marksmen have been allowed and balanced for has been bot; as champions they have been forcibly tied to other champions, supports, for their own survivability. So suddenly having all of the base stats nerfed so that champions that haven't been balanced for a 2v2 lane and, in fact, can solo lane and usually can solo lane in multiple places can come to the only lane they can function and essentially force them out is utter bullshit. Riot was extremely lazy with 8.11 as the only diversity they cared about was everyone else's; they did nothing to give marksmen lane diversity.

IcyPepperJun 24, 20181 votes

I agree completely, well about the marksman at least--I can't really speak for everyone to confirm, but I can at least see how you get that impression.

Ideally, I want some marksman to be able to duo or solo lane, and some to be mostly solo lane focused (example: Ashe. Permaslow, no mobility or hard cc outside ult, abilities scale with items much harder than levels, probably not great in top lane and mid would be a waste of resources making bot lane most efficient and ideal). I want that same treatment for other champions too, like hypercarries who could benefit from safe farming and poke lanes in bot instead of going mid or having high damage but low utility like several bruisers.

Right now, it's a clown fiests and some of us are enjoying the chaos and freedom and sheer diversity of champion classes and interactions, but a good number of us (I think? I don't think I'm that special) know that marksman have been dumpstered and it's not fair to leave them in that state.

But the problem comes with that this new meta has been fun. Some of us don't want to go back to how it was, we want marksman to have some diversity and go in other lanes too rather than just shove them back bot and shove everyone else out again save for the occasional niche pick.

So where do we go from here? Revert, and have bot lane marksman dominance? Or balance the marksman to be viable in other lanes? And if it's the latter, where do we start?

Daddy AntsJun 24, 20181 votes

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Well its like this:

Non - Crit Marksmen are still viable and good bot and you do see them .

Scaling ones are the problem right now and they are getting buffed.

The main reason that you are not seeing marksmens bot(throughout the history of league the pool of meta ADCs have always been this small) is because more things are viable down there.

What this meta is teaching people is a lot of people going bot lane do not want to play ADC, as simple as that. If it were otherwise you would see those meta adcs filling the bot lane just like when it was the opposite and crit adcs dominated.

"are getting buffed"

Jinx Tristana Twitch

That leaves Caitlyn Vayne Sivir

rtbf55359909Jun 24, 20183 votes

I barely see any marksmen anymore, I think most mains just moved playing different role.

OtterlyLostJun 24, 201810 votes

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I barely see any marksmen anymore, I think most mains just moved playing different role.

They either moved to different roles or, like me, just quit playing for the most part. Honestly, this meta is pretty depressing. It feels like I've lost a friend everytime I look on OP.gg and see tristana sitting at a 43% winrate...

KVbqbFsC8eJun 24, 20182 votes

I still see two ADCs in the vast majority of my games.

D357R0Y3RJun 24, 20182 votes

same https://i.gyazo.com/6b6ed09fb329c08296dd09e0f536126b.png

i play adc whenever i can but we're nothing compared to the circlejerk of the boards

MalakJun 24, 20182 votes

What the hell is this thread lol

This is all absolutely false.

Stop spreading bs, most games still have adcs

VvVVvVJun 24, 20181 votes

Are these peopel playign anything but adc bot lane actually qqueing up for bot? or are they getting autofilled? now i have to support a Vladamir?????? im seriously about to build Zyra ad.....troll gets trolled

MetallikaiserJun 24, 20182 votes

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Are these peopel playign anything but adc bot lane actually qqueing up for bot? or are they getting autofilled? now i have to support a Vladamir?????? im seriously about to build Zyra ad.....troll gets trolled

So you are going to troll because they picked Bot Vlad, despite bot Vlad being very good and worthy of being played often in professional? Okay then.

VvVVvVJun 24, 20181 votes

didnt need to, other team had 2 inters.

But yes......simply because since this no adc bot lane crap has been going on..........I have had like 4 games, now 5 where people on my team tried it and it has never worked....all losses and 2 of them like losing tower in record timing. I have also not lost to a team that has tried it either. So now I finally win one with the person on my team and it was only because other team had 2 people inting.

Who cares what people are doing in the LCS, This is not the LCS, I am in Silver 2, I have Silvers and Golds in my games....NOT LCS or high elo players who can make it work.

xJLx MCHammerJun 24, 20181 votes

Good!

ADCs were bad design choice. Despite mostly bring nerfed, the ones that escaped the nerds are played in every game.

Seriously though, ADCs always were meta, but ever other class for 8 years were in or out of meta

It’s about time ADCs get to know how that shit feels.

rtbf48419282Jun 24, 20181 votes

You don't always have to play marksman. If the enemy team uses cheap strat like playing an extra assassin, that is definitely not an easy gameplay for a marksman. There is nothing you can do in a blindpick, but there are many things you can do in a draft pick. Just counterpick the shit out of him. So enemy team picked yi + invincibility huh? Pick tryndamere and shit on that little wuju man. Yeah. Tryndamere + ramus. Or Jax + rammus. Try it.

I think it is still true that yasuo + malph comp is strong because of all the shield and ardent censor nerfs and adc basestat nerfs. If they pick yasuo + malphite, also counterpick the shit out of them. IDk think of something. Try jax + alistar or something. Or singed + tanky supp. There is nothing yasuo can do against a singed. Mundo + tanky sup also works.

If you're hopelessly the first pick adc, then why don't you try banning your worst nightmares?

TheSingularityJun 24, 20181 votes

To be honest this is the first time since season 3 (when i started) that marksman have been at all weak.

Before marksman chomped down on the dust, mages were trash. A majority of tanks (except ornn and supports) are still mediocre. Last year? Assassin and marksman meta. Season 6? marksman meta. first half of season 5? tanks. 4 was pretty well rounded. 3 was kassadin cancer or assassins with elise/kha ruling the world. Idk about 1 or 2. Point still stands. 5 whole seasons marksman have been relevant enough to be 100% necessary in a team composition. Season 6 was the worst, where we saw marksman V marksman in top, jungle, mid and bot in pro play. Like quin, graves, varus, jinx support vs lucian, kog maw, corki, kalista, support.

Tanks, mages, assassins, juggernauts, divers, skirmishers. They certainly didn't get any special treatment or sympathy over season 6.

My class, tanks, only Ornn is viable anywhere but support (don't bother giving me off tanks like cho or singed). But he's also busted so once the nerf hammer comes down he'll join his brethren. So, I assume you want something done about your role and champions. But where's my special treatment? I was only meta for half a season. You've been meta for 5.

If anything it's about time you were forced to get creative. Change them builds, take them top, mid, jungle. You'd be surprised the wacky shit people used to come up with in seasons 3-5 that worked. Full tank brand/karma is a good example. On hit ivern is another. Maybe you should innovate. Instead of waiting for riot to fix your problems for you.

I've tried, I simply don't have the in game stats to make them work. You on the other hand, have the best runes and itemization in the game. You've got all the tools. You just need to use them

Edit: Also, Kaisa Lucian Varus Vayne Jinx are all still viable. They simply don't build crit anymore

YoRHa 2BJun 24, 20181 votes

So, am I the lucky guy that gets normal botlane? Well, enemy team atleast.

hhaavviikkJun 24, 20181 votes

do ADC's suck? yeah because they are only good late game, OBVIOUSLY in a EARLY GAME meta ADC's are going to be shit, just like how OBVIOUSLY early game champions would be shit in late game, that's how it should be, I don't see it as a problem but as common sense, all games are ending in the mid game 90% of the time, with that information in mind why take a class that's only good 10% of the time? you wouldn't, simple as that