the fact that litteraly a brain dead chimp can pick up that champion and outperform nearly everyone else in the jg is ridiculous. counter jgling is now harsher than ever in the early game because of how low exp is, and this champ + xin is prob the best counter jglers right now since no one can fight them. please revert back to old jg, there was LITERALLY nothing wrong with it. no one complained.
Feel Apathy11 votesA champion that runs at you and hits you....
Sure he got buffed with the crab changes since he's stronger than most in a 1v1 scenario and you are incentivised to fight for them, but he's not broken or OP by any means.
Great Ozymandius16 votesA champion that runs at you and hits you....
The issue isn't that he kills you. It's easy not to be killed by him. The issue is that he can go to the scuttle and kill it while you watch him because there is nothing you can do about it. Then he has a levels and gold advantage. Then he goes into your jungle and kills your camps and there is nothing you can do about it. Now you are hopelessly underleveled.
Yeah, there are ways to deal with it. Particularly if your laners have priority and can give you a 2v1 advantage over scuttle or can roam into your jungle to fend him off. But if you don't have those things, then optimal play against udyr is typically simply letting him take all your experience and gold. That's a problem.
In the previous patch, if he went into one side of my jungle, i would say "that's alright, he can take gromp, but I already took wolves and I can go to the other side of my jungle, take wraiths, and then gank the side lane." That was the counterplay. But with this patch, if you don't get scuttle and only get camps on one side of the jungle, you will be down two or even three levels. Laners will typically have a two level advantage on you. This means that your ganks are much much less likely to be effctive, so a gank is almost more likely to set your team behind if you die and will gete you further underleveled.
It feels really bad to know that your best strategy is basically a white flag and hoping your laners can carry you.
RekSai CoffeeCo10 votes[{quoted}](name=Great Ozymandius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Kq4odj0y,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-26T15:55:55.636+0000)
The issue isn't that he kills you. It's easy not to be killed by him. The issue is that he can go to the scuttle and kill it while you watch him because there is nothing you can do about it.
See everyone this is the problem, not the camp experience changes but scuttle.
Scuttle killed the jungle diversity, Scuttle is now feast or famine for Junglers/team on top of the experience changes is what all the feedback on jungle changes is about or as some of the bitter people like to call it "whining".
People were complaining about 2:30-3 min ganks before this now its mostly duelist jungles and the disadvantage at 3 minutes is on another person, hardly a solution/fix at all.
If they want scuttle to be contested, fine make it midgame 15-20 minutes in, adjust camp experience so there is jungle diversity while allowing laners room to breathe and so you can see if any experience changes need to be made so laners are hitting 3 slightly before or slightly after junglers hit 3 and that supports aren't outleveling the jungler.
GankLord1 votesnot to mention mage junglers took a hit too
Feel Apathy2 votesIn this case, OP picked evelynn which similar to Kayn is a half-champion before she gets her ultimate and has to forfeit scuttles.
Pretty much any meta jungler would give OP a run for his money.
Tychusfindlay9183 votes[{quoted}](name=Great Ozymandius,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Kq4odj0y,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-26T15:55:55.636+0000) It feels really bad to know that your best strategy is basically a white flag and hoping your [other teammates] can carry you.
Holy shit a jungler who finally knows what its like to be a top laner.
Death by Glamour10 votesWrong
Hes been disgustingly broken since the steraks change
ValiantKiller5 votes[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Kq4odj0y,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-26T17:39:16.093+0000)
Wrong
Hes been disgustingly broken since the steraks change
I agree...he always being broken he just shine that patch cause you forced to face him more not only in your jg but in river too.
TotalJerk1 votesI figured Runes Reforged is what mainly broke him.
Death by Glamour1 votesPatch before that
Saw him go from trash tier to top tier solo que jungler
Nine Realms8 votesYou lost to udyr, move on with your life.
lolipopevelynn11 votes[{quoted}](name=Nine Realms,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Kq4odj0y,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-26T15:40:12.439+0000)
You lost to udyr, move on with your life.
ive been winning first timing udyr.
BestPudgeNA2 votesive been winning first timing udyr.
You're silver 4 with a negative WR and a 4W -3L on Udyr with 8.6 deaths and a sub 2 KDA
lolipopevelynn1 votesYou're silver 4 with a negative WR and a 4W -3L on Udyr with 8.6 deaths and a sub 2 KDA
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Ráiny1 votesDeath by Glamour2 votes[sg-lux-2]
Cant you only first time a champion once
[slayer-jinx-catface]
lolipopevelynn1 votes[deleted]
Death by Glamour1 votesudyr isnt a two our long tantric session though, more like a quickie in the back seats :D
WeeningWeiners1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nine Realms,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Kq4odj0y,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-26T15:40:12.439+0000)
You lost to udyr, move on with your life.
Let me enlighten you real quick because you obviously dont get what he is saying. Lets say I have a maxed Q and I have 100 base dmg and I have a Trinity force... you bascially get 630 dmg worth of one Q auto and then can reapply after finishing off both stacks. Do the math on his Q which at max level give you bonus 150 ad and 180% ad scaling. It would go like this 100 of my base ad times 180% which is 100*1.8=180 then add the original ad which makes it 280 then add 150 which is 280+150= 430 then with trinity force it will increase your base ad by 200% so now you add 200 to 430 which is 630..... Now all you have is 100 base ad which in real time for the game he will have a fuck ton more like 200 or a little bit more above and trinity and maxed Q. So lets see 1. Maxed Q 2.Trinity 3. Base dmg being pretty high... That shows he only needs one item and one ability to completetly nuke the enemy by increasing his base dmg by essentially 6.3 times over. Now come and tell me that isnt fucking busted scaling you degenerate. Go back to grade school!!!!
BestPudgeNA6 votesthe fact that litteraly a brain dead chimp can pick up that champion
While mechanically he isn't a hard champ. Udyr is actually isn't an easy champ to play. His build options are pretty unlimited and you play style changes massively depending on what you build path is. He requires a deep knowledge of vision, generally jungle knowledge and macro play that few other champs do. Also A moving correctly and dodging Skill shots on him is highly important.
Vhan87655 votesWhere did everything go wrong with League of Legends when Udyr is viable again?
anmyauntieonpo4 votesLOL to everyone who thinks he is not broken. I legit just lost a 4v5(afk mid) in my team favor because my laners refused to try and 2v1 him as he was invading my jungle in the first 15 min. I was playing Xin btw, and I have a 4:1 kda with an 80% wr on this patch over 20 games with that champion. He eventually power farmed so hard that we couldn't 2v1 him. Champion is beyond toxic he runs in and out of the fight with no counterplay as long as he is up in exp, which he gets from counterjungling. There is no escape if you position yourself incorrectly, and there is no ability to chase without multiple spells of hard cc.
Axzarious1 votesHe's got plenty of counterplay, and certain champions like J4 and Anivia are capable of invalidating him entirely. Even as Xin, you've got more tools available to you than Udyr, who's basically just a glorified minion. He shouldn't have been able to get away with invading you, especially if your mid had no opponent in their lane. With that in mind, don't always expect a helping hand from your lanes - it isn't always easy to leave some lanes. That said, they shouldn't blame you if you're losing either - It might be easy for laners to forget, but jungles have no safety nets if they're on the back foot - they can't gain gold and EXP under a turret.
anmyauntieonpo1 votesHe's got plenty of counterplay, and certain champions like J4 and Anivia are capable of invalidating him entirely. Even as Xin, you've got more tools available to you than Udyr, who's basically just a glorified minion. He shouldn't have been able to get away with invading you, especially if your mid had no opponent in their lane. With that in mind, don't always expect a helping hand from your lanes - it isn't always easy to leave some lanes. That said, they shouldn't blame you if you're losing either - It might be easy for laners to forget, but jungles have no safety nets if they're on the back foot - they can't gain gold and EXP under a turret.
What? Explain to me how these champions invalidate Udyr lol. You think Anivia's slow or short stun is going to stop him? He's going to bear stance out three hit her under the turret then proceed to kill her egg under the turret and bear stance out again with plenty of health. Don't even start me on Jarvin. That champ is dogshit in solo que. You have to be high on crack to play him there with the intention to climb.
Axzarious1 votesI'd think the ways they are able to invalidate Udyr should be obvious. Udyr lacks a dash and a real gap closer for one. He has to burn his flash to circumvent many problems. As to how champions like Anivia, J4, Veigar, Trundle, Karth, and Yorick can give him problems? It's pretty obvious. Anivia is one I especially hate to see when playing against Udyr, considering that she has that wall of hers on top of the rest of her kit which gives him hell. If Udyr is able to tank a turret long enough to kill anivia not only once, but twice under turret? Your team deserves the loss to Udyr for feeding him so hard.
Veigar and J4 and other champions that are able to generate terrain are ones I hate to see for similar reasons. J4 is much better than you give him credit for when played well, as he's got amazing burst and can nuke squishies while still building mostly tank. Ashe is another champion Udyr hates, due to her ability to kite him.
If you're expecting to slug it out with an Udyr, you're going to lose. Raw, in your face stats and numbers are basically the only tools he really has. Very few champions are able to go toe to toe with him. Nasus for example, is a champion able to do that once you're decently farmed and have your wither maxed out... Though in general, Nasus tends to dumpster right-click champions, so it's not specific to him. He's strongest early, and he needs to gain a lead to be relevant.
Udyr is basically the Garen of the jungle.
Salson3 votesThe one good thing about jungle changes is that junglers finally get to see what's like to fight braindead shit.
JacobiUntamed1 votesI would argue against this. I’ve been playing udyr lately and hes possibly the worst team fighter out of any champ, melee stun as only cc and no multi target abilities. Literally one of the worst champs late game. I was 16:0:8 by 30 min and still couldn’t 1v1 their 8:10:10 Aatrox! He’s literally the worst late game but the best early game. Seems like he’s in a good spot. Never sees pro play either, he’s really easy to counter by cc, or just to stay at a distance.
Blåbæret3 votesUdyr has been OP for a while. Nothing new.
Velasan3 votesAs someone who plays Udyr... not really. Duelist champion can duel people? No way!
I mean this is literally his main strength and what his entire kit is designed to do. The issue is the way the JG currently works, not that Udyr exists as a champion.
You could say the same things about Lee Sin, Trundle, Xin, and so on. Any duelist fighter is good right now. Didn't suddenly break Udyr. He is better this season though because he benefits more from the new runes than he did on the old system.
SSmotzer3 votesUdyr needs a relaunch. Having 4 basic abilities that only alter his basic attacks is really bad for balancing.
If he gets in he can over power anyone, and anyone he can't he can just run away from. That is bad design.
The King Diamond2 votesChange title name. Jg disgustingly broken after jg changes* Dont blame a champion because of map, runes and items changes. NEVER! U say he is to be nerfed right now. Ok, he is strong right now. But look at this - They will nerf him nie, then they will "nerf" jgl and here we are, Udyr jgl and top is dead, when everything u should nerf was only a jungle, bot champion. Three are literally just a few champions that are broken itself. For most champions, runes and items give them a power.
lolipopevelynn1 votes[{quoted}](name=trve kvlt,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Kq4odj0y,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2018-05-27T10:27:58.205+0000)
Change title name. Jg disgustingly broken after jg changes* Dont blame a champion because of map, runes and items changes. NEVER! U say he is to be nerfed right now. Ok, he is strong right now. But look at this - They will nerf him nie, then they will "nerf" jgl and here we are, Udyr jgl and top is dead, when everything u should nerf was only a jungle, bot champion. Three are literally just a few champions that are broken itself. For most champions, runes and items give them a power.
the problem with udyr specifically was that he was pretty strong BEFORE these changes. the scuttle changes just pushed him over the top.
Ramyskie1 votesYou feed him early, he snowball. Play like any decent player and scale, he is nothing more than a moving fountain for you to heal off him. Too bad laners love feeding him.
lolipopevelynn3 votesYou feed him early, he snowball. Play like any decent player and scale, he is nothing more than a moving fountain for you to heal off him. Too bad laners love feeding him.
he snowballs off the jg, scuttles, the enemy jg, and lane minions, not champions. did i forget to mention he can take rift herald the instant it spawns decently fast solo?
Ramyskie1 voteshe snowballs off the jg, scuttles, the enemy jg, and lane minions, not champions. did i forget to mention he can take rift herald the instant it spawns decently fast solo?
And did I mention that all it takes is 2 kills from top to take off for him killing everyone on the map?
Ráiny1 votesi disagree, i main udyr and hes not broken lmao, jax counters him so hard, so does xin. i think you should not complain about you getting railed by a champion.
LordGeovanni2 votesI champion having counter champions doesnt mean they arent broken the same way i dont think winrate means a champion is broken or underpowered.
Frontline Fury1 votesUdyr is the same as always. If he invades your jungle just invade his.
As hecan only walk into lanes vision control severely gimps him. Use your trinket and buy a control ward early.
Play a champ with a level 2 slow or stun and smite steal scuttle.
Start at the opposite side of the map from him and take scuttle after your first buff. Then you dont even have to contest for it. Have a laner ward the river right before the buffs spawn so you can see if he enters your jungle.
Brutalistica1 votesthe fact that litteraly a brain dead chimp can pick up that champion and outperform nearly everyone else in the jg is ridiculous. counter jgling is now harsher than ever in the early game because of how low exp is, and this champ + xin is prob the best counter jglers right now since no one can fight them. please revert back to old jg, there was LITERALLY nothing wrong with it. no one complained.
You know the saddest thing is while I was reading this thread I glanced over to my screen to see who are my enemies and BAM! It was Udyr :(
FireDrizzle1 votes{quoted} please revert back to old jg, there was LITERALLY nothing wrong with it. no one complained.
Old jungle you mean pre these recent changes? People have complained about that jungle. The jungle has been getting worse and worse with every update since i started playing in S6. Rito should revert the jungle to S6 or a previous season.
Onotori1 votesYou say that like Udyr hasn't been broken for years.
Rouxful1 votesPeople get so mad when you play udyr. I played him and was told that I had no girlfriend and that if I did she was cheating on me just because I killed the enemy mid laner by running at her. Had to play something in the jg when the enemy first picked Graves!
PumpPenta1 votesYou're Silver 4