Can we please get more grounded CC?

deadlychuck··5 votes·707 views

The CC that's on Cassiopeia W, to anyone who doesn't know.

I'm seriously so sick and tired of riot adding in so much fucking mobility, every game is full of Yasuo Riven LeeSin Katarina Fizz Talon Rengar Khazix Camille and i couldn't give a damn how powerful the champions are, or how good the player behind the keyboard is. I'm sick and tired of these champions with all this mobility always having the initiative, and rarely equal costs for such a **massive **benefit.

Yet every other CC in the game is just as effective, if not more effective on champions without their same mobility. Stun, Root, Slow, Suppress, Silence, exc. Every single one of these affects those champions less than all of the others who lack their same ability based movement. Yet grounded, a CC which had an opportunity to actually bring the game back to a reasonable state, is delegated to a single champion. Yes, there are a few other things like poppy W or Azir ult, but still nowhere near enough to actually address this mobility plauge which riot seems all to happy to accommodate.

YOU WANT TO FIX CHAMPION DIVERSITY RIOT? FIX THE MOBILITY HIERARCHY

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

20 Comments

Ralanr1 votes

Surprised we haven't gotten more. I'm worried they want to make it a Cassiopeia only thing.

deadlychuck1 votes

Then the people making that decision need to be burned at the stake as heretics. (yes i'm going over board)

I've reached a point where i just can't stand this same stupid bullshit anymore and it NEEDS to be addressed.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

i think it should be added to Karthus wall. ground enemies who are stuck inside it.

and then just get rid of item 3116 there are really only 2 or 3 champions in this game who actually need it, because their kits are too shiitty to function without a broken permaslow mechanic. the rest is mostly just abusing it.

Ralanr1 votes

Having wall of pain do something other than just slow you would be interesting.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Having wall of pain do something other than just slow you would be interesting.

i think karthus should have some tool to fight extremely mobile champions who otherwise just dumpster him without efford. putting it on his wall of pain would reward him for hitting it directly on a mobile opponent.

at the same time its easier to get out of the wall than even cassiopeias w, leaving his enemies not entirely without the option to get out.

imo it would be one of those abilities where a grounded debuff would fit and be balanced.

deadlychuck1 votes

I don't see how adding it to a single champion would then lead to removing the only item which really gives mages the ability to kit.

Yes, it should go on his wall, as well as Viktor W. Malzahar Pool (would've been W, but now R because riot has their head up their ass). Fiddlesticks W maybe. Braum R. Singed W. Sejuani R. Hell add it too item 3143 even.

To name a few that could justifiably get it without compensation nerfs.

Ralanr4 votes

None of the champions you described really need grounded. Especially not Viktor.

deadlychuck1 votes

That one is mostly thematic. Gravity Field doesn't have grounded??? REALLY?

Also, i know these champions don't NEED grounded. What i'm saying is that champions need to be given it, no matter the need, because that's the only way you will ever see a dying off of champions with obscene amounts of mobility.

Ralanr1 votes

Gravity field already stuns and pulls people to the center when upgraded. Giving it grounded would make it impossible to escape.

deadlychuck1 votes

Again that one was thematic. Idk how many times i'll have to say that to hammer the point in.

Ralanr1 votes

Remember that thematic and gameplay doesn't always mix well.

Remember that windwall blocks a tsunami wave.

deadlychuck1 votes

When did i ever say that it did mix well?

When did i ever seem to not acknowledge that fact?

Also, i've just got to ask, if gravity field being given grounded, makes it impossible to escape, then why is it fair for use against champions who don't have mobility that would be affected by the grounded debuff? As wouldn't it already be "impossible to escape" for any set of the champion pool which wouldn't be affected by the grounded debuff?

Ralanr1 votes

Idk, the slow that it already gives can make it rather difficult to escape. Suddenly giving it grounded makes that even more difficult.

As Critmaster already brought up, if his W didn't end up stunning people then grounded would make sense. But it does stun people, and you're asking for a basic ability to have 3 forms of CC.

deadlychuck1 votes

Except it doesn't make it genearlly more difficult to escape. It only brings the difficulty up for the champions who currently see it as little more than a zoning tool.

What you're saying is that it's fair that champions who have more mobility are substantially less threatened by the skill. This applies to every form of CC, excluding grounded.

Ralanr1 votes

Ok, maybe I should be more clear.

Viktor doesn't need three forms of CC on a basic ability.

deadlychuck1 votes

I'm not saying he needs more CC on his W. I'm saying it should be added to it so that the mobile champions don't get a massive advantage over the non-mobile champions.

Ekko doesn't **need **a stun, slow, shield, and execute on his E, but for some stupid reason he's given all 4.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

{quoted}

I don't see how adding it to a single champion would then lead to removing the only item which really gives mages the ability to kit.

Yes, it should go on his wall, as well as Viktor W. Malzahar Pool (would've been W, but now R because riot has their head up their ass). Fiddlesticks W maybe. Braum R. Singed W. Sejuani R. Hell add it too item 3143 even.

To name a few that could justifiably get it without compensation nerfs.

Viktor if his gravity field would just slow and not stun and displace enemies, then it would be appropriate. otherwise its a rather unneccessary buff to an already decent champion.

Malzahar really doesnt need more cc. even if he did, whats the point of adding it to his ult? the ult already supresses his opponent which prevents him from moving. his ult makes malzahar already a popular counter to mobile champions.

Fiddlesticks has a silence and a fear to prevent enemies from using mobility spells.

Braum just no. the area is just way too large. also, already decent champion with enough cc. his r already knocks up enemies who are hit by it, so its again a weird case of cc overlap.

Singed already gets a snare when he flips opponents into his glue. thats better than a grounded debuff.

Sejuani again. what would be the point? her ult already stuns.

deadlychuck1 votes

secondary AOE of sej ult, not the stun obviously.

Again though, this isn't a matter of the champion getting MORE CC. It's a matter of the champion having extra CC against a sub-set of the champion pool.

Seriously, most champions wouldn't even notice if these champions were given Grounded on these abilities. What's important is that the champions are feeling the effects of the CC feel it MORE.

Lauchmelder1 votes

I would be fine with mobility if they'd have to give up some damage for it. Right now that's not the case.

Mordepool1 votes

I want to see grounded added to Mordekaiser kit perhaps when two Empowered Q's hit the same champion

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