Are we ever gonna talk about Morgana being one of the most banned high elo supports for YEARS?

TotalJerk··1 votes·1,701 views

She's been able to slip under the rader forever it seems because despite how strong she is, there are always 2 or 3 supports even more overpowered than her.

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HP Crookshanks6 votes

She's banned because of Blitzcrank Leona Pyke Rakan Thresh not because she's strong. Especially there are ridiculous amounts of Thresh mains.

charge attack2 votes

This. Playing against Morgana as Thresh or Blitz is super painful.

As Thresh, you’re kinda just forced to afk the lane phase when you need to be aggressive and snowball. And you can’t engage on Morgana, but she can poke you. Also often times, ironically enough, if she hits her bind on you it’s a death sentence - whereas as you hitting your hook doesn’t mean shit.

Maybe after the Thresh buffs on Q cd the matchup is better - but she’s still my permaban.

TotalJerk1 votes

Thresh's Q hooks CD starts outscaling her black shield after the first few levels up until she has to start putting points in it, so it isn't THAT bad. Also Morg can't black shield BOTH laners.

TotalJerk1 votes

No matter what champion is meta throughout the years, people say this shit. "She's only strong because she counters the meta". What champion can you actually make a case for Morgana being bad into?

thaBeast

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No matter what champion is meta throughout the years, people say this shit. "She's only strong because she counters the meta". What champion can you actually make a case for Morgana being bad into?

Always ban Morgana she is basically banned in all elo

doiminat0r36002 votes

She's bad into really any non-CC support. I mean, when her kit is largely picked for a spell shield that blocks CC, pick someone that doesn't do CC as their primary ability.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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She's banned because of Blitzcrank Leona Pyke Rakan Thresh not because she's strong. Especially there are ridiculous amounts of Thresh mains.

the saddest part about this is that they dont even realize Thresh actually softcounter Morgana

because even if she does spellsheild his hook.. his hook still count as "landing" and goes on a shorter cooldown. so her spell-shield wont be up in time for the next cast.

not to mention morg spellshield can be hard to land in time if u have higher ping.. and thresh's hood projetile is very fast... and sure we can see the windup animation... but if you you and your adc in in a postion to get hit... u need to shield the right one so u need to look were the hook is going first.

a champion like Braum or Alistar or Leona woudl counter thresh much more than Morgana

and speaking of Leona.

SHE is the support who is countered hardest of anyone by morg.

as a lvl 7 morg.. if i see a Morgana ban... 90% of the time i can be sure they picking Leona

because more hard counters the FUCK the of Leona.

Morgana doesn't even counter Thresh .. he softcounters her.

but Leona ...... damn if they pick Morgana after u locked in Leona ... just dodge... because your life is going to be HELL that game.

charge attack1 votes

That’s literally not true lmao. Leona gets super fucked by Thresh. You don’t even need a good reaction time to flay her E.

Alistar is a skill matchup, but you win early and have potential for outplay late.

Thresh DOES NOT soft counter Morgana. I also thought that he did when I was lower elo (because the Morganas were bad enough). Yes you can hook - auto - flay for CC. But Thresh is very squishy as opposed to someone like Leona. Often times if you take that hook it’s only going to kill you - especially since you’re guaranteed to eat a bind and not guaranteed to proc aftershock. The only way it works is IF your adc is MUCH stronger early (like Lucian v Vayne). In this case the Morgana can put another point in spellshield to make Thresh completely useless (and unable to proc aftershock = die on engage while they kite back - or forced to put points in E to remove spellsheild longer hook CD ). Otherwise she can put points in her catch/poke abilities and make lane hell for you.

The lane isn’t as bad as it is for someone like Blitz (makes him super useless) - but she has way more kill pressure on Thresh than on a Blitz, Leona, or Alistar.

Also plz don’t respond. I’ve read your gameplay related posts before. You never have any clue what your talking about/how this game works. Just take some time to reflect.

Jaspers4 votes

Look at the most played/Tier 1 Supports right now and who better to counter every single bit of CC they have? So people ban her so they can do their job.

Not overpowered or strong. I'd say she's exactly where she should be power wise. If the meta adapts away from chain CC tanks (and Pyke), her ban rate will go down (her ban rate during Ardent meta and long before was around 5%).

TotalJerk1 votes

The thing is that people have been saying something similar to this through every single meta. No matter who is actually strong, Morgana is still always up there because she apparently always 'counters' whatever is strong.

MissMikasa3 votes

I think she's in a good spot actually, but also I think that what could be inflating her ban rate more than just her "strength" is that people ban her because of a counter pick- she counters some big time supports like Blitz, Thresh, and "Pyke," who can be argued on if he's an actual "support" but whatever. People ban her when they want to play those champs and have an easier lane matchup.

Frosted Tips2 votes

My biggest problem with Morgana excluding her being boring to play is that her spell shield is instant. That is just too strong. If it had a delay then I think it would be fine. Just a small delay like a travel time from her the her ally. If on herself it doesn't need a delay. Also I think her Q should have a shorter root duration, but a higher projectile speed.

Done252 votes

Pick Brand and just combo her to death at level 3. Else pick someone like Sona, Nami, or Lulu who can consistently poke and harass her.

TotalJerk1 votes

Okay if all of those champions beat her, How does she still top the ban charts when they are meta?

Done252 votes

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Okay if all of those champions beat her, How does she still top the ban charts when they are meta?

https://imgur.com/a/fjsDdPp

She's not game breaking at a solid 50% win rate. In fact, she has many more lane counters than what she herself beats. It's just that people find her Black Shield annoying. That's really all it is.

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ1 votes

No because Akali

:D

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