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Wow you really spiced up the Meta by changing absolutely nothing except hard nerfing an entire role and even further alienating off-meta Junglers. Everyone excited to still have Graves and Kha in every game?
CppL11 votesNo more lvl 3 double buff gangs while you still lvl 2.So im good.
Yogartman3 votesAs a top lane main, I still see this every game from the enemy jungler... I survive more of them, but I thought these changes were supposed to stop this...
MorganFreemanBot8 votesAs a top lane main, I still see this every game from the enemy jungler... I survive more of them, but I thought these changes were supposed to stop this...
#The "level 3, doubles, gank top" ecosystem has always been a thing.
I'm not sure what stark raving lunatics decided to paint it as a new development from the current jungle. Since "Jungler" became an official role (as opposed to S1, when there was just a 'roamer' and it was free gold for all) this has been how it went. Season 2 all the way to season 8, the initial jungle path has always been to get doubles, get 3, and try a gank at top.
Yogartman1 votesI'm not saying that isn't a viable strategy and what people should be looking to accomplish. My issue is with Riot saying they are trying to stop these ganks to make laning more of a 1v1 or 2v2 place where individual skill truly shines. If there are still ganks coming right when the opposing jungler gets double buffs, then what Riot said they are trying to do with the jungle changes isn't actually happening.
I also have issues with only having so many wards available and not being able to see where the opposing jungler. I love when they suddenly show up from my jungle where I don't have wards. That is probably more of a memorandum on my skill, but when I have no way of tracking the enemy jungler at level 3, it's hard to avoid ganks without blowing flash (again, this is probably more about my individual play than anything else).
Jaygo414 votesThank god somebody recognizes this. Legit, this is how it has ALWAYS been. I can't understand how this is a problem all of a sudden.
Brain Errör 4042 votesIndeed, it has always been like this. However, it required WAY more skill to pull off in previous seasons. Right now, it's so terrifying to be ganked. In previous seasons, if you played it poorly, you would get DOUBLE killed.
MorganFreemanBot1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brain Errör 404,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KgWrUtGh,comment-id=0003000000000002,timestamp=2018-05-17T23:21:46.623+0000)
Indeed, it has always been like this. However, it required WAY more skill to pull off in previous seasons. Right now, it's so terrifying to be ganked. In previous seasons, if you played it poorly, you would get DOUBLE killed.
No, it really didn't.
Early on (s2, s3, and I think s4?) you had to BUY wards. There was no trinket. If you purchased one ward you would be at a gigantic disadvantage in lane, so most laners (even at the pro level) showed up to lane with 0 wards.
"However did they survive?!" you ask? Simple, they weren't fucking retarded. They knew that hard shoving the wave in the first couple of levels was an immediate death sentence, so would generally work hard to control the wave (including not just hard trading like a mouth breather every time they saw the enemy laner) to maintain safety. They'd also read the enemy laner's tells.
This wasn't regarded as broken.
Once trinkets came out, they immediately had an early game cooldown.. Which again prevented top laners from warding out the gate. Same shit as before, only past a certain mark you could drop your ward and have some safety.
As it stands, pre 8.10 jungle changes, top laners have never been so safe. Let me repeat that.
#Top laners have never had as many tools and opportunity to read jungle movement and not get murdered by an early game.
Free early game wards are a mind bogglingly strong tool. The only thing which has changed is that junglers can (well, could) show up top lane with a level advantage; being level 3 a few creeps before the laners hit 3. While that's impactful, it's heavily mitigated by the fact that you can fucking ward and see them coming.
The current hysteria over junglers being too strong and reducing the "skill" of solo laners is just that; hysterical. It has absolutely no basis in truth, and anyone claiming that current (or pre 8.10) jungler influence on top lane is stronger than it's been in the past is demonstrably wrong.
Spank the Fox20 votesThey could’ve accomplished that without forcing Scuttle to become another major objective and the fact you’re forced to path that in is dumb, to be frank.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesWahhhh i can't do the same route I've been doing the past 2 years.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesSuch as?
Enderspider1 votes-reducing early buff duration, forcing you to stay on your side of the jungle for the first clear if you want to use the buff
-more jungle sustain but higher health camps, slowing the early clears down but not actually hurting the junglers much in their hp department
-less catchup xp, making ganks be more of a risk to getting behind xp when you fail so you can't keep on ganking almost non-stop, clear a camp every 5 minutes and still be ahead in xp
-something involving amumu buffs
-buffing turrets, making early dives harder
-probably some other options better than mine
SpecterVonBaren1 votes-And how do you deal with how this hurts mana hungry champions that need blue buff to function? This is especially true of AP junglers and tanks.
-And how do you deal with champs that have high cooldowns or are mana hungry? This would make things harder for junglers that rely on abilities since it will take more rotations to clear each camps?
-And what about tank junglers that get put behind by invades? This also puts a lot more emphasis on early game junglers since by getting their lanes ahead in the early game they can then safely farm their jungle since they have lane support?
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-That's a very specific early game situation, and most ganks don't involve diving a turret.
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So, now that I've given you some issue with your ideas, give me some futher ideas on how to fix the issues that resulted from your proposed fixes.
Newzzy1 votesUh my clear on shaco can level 3 gank you right when your wave pulls up lmaoo
Old Dirty Snu1 votesI do it all the time with . I go red, blue, gromps, wolves now then gank top.
Raxistaicho10 votesThey definitely spiced up... mid lane. All the smite mids! :)
P1 DMage4 votesnotice something here, there's a pattern... hmmmm~ i see. oh that's gold.
ALL OF THEM ARE ASSASSINS A-
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A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ASSASSINS. [sg-janna]
dunder kill5 votesuhhhhh 4 of them are assassins lol
Mogarl8 votesMore like 4 and 2 halfs. Yi and Lee are both secondary assassins.
AirKingNeo1 votesSecondary Classes were retconned.
P1 DMage2 votesWell i may have phrased incorrectly. People that pop the hell outta you*[zombie-brand-mindblown]*
Pheobos3 votesMate, its not even a day into the patch yet
RekSai CoffeeCo6 votesMate, its not even a day into the patch yet
Correct its actually over a day now
saltran3 votesWhile I kinda agree it's too soon, wait5at least 1 week imo.
MuffledGarbage2 votes"just wait until after ardent censor, rito will fix it"
preseason rolls around and after 6 months ardent is fixed
"just wait until after preseason"
3 months after preseason and conqueror is only announced on PBE
"just wait for patch 8.10"
waits 5 weeks for patch 8.10 to nerf oppresive junglers
"just wait 1 week"
Riot literally ONLY listened to only these types of comments telling players to wait and see what happens for the past 2 seasons
Riot clearly can't fix the problem cause they only nerfed the BAD JUNGLERS
Divine Winds2 votesThey mean wait when the meta actually clears up.
MuffledGarbage3 votesThat really doesn't make it much better :\
Divine Winds1 votesyeah but I was just clearing up what he said. and on another note Riot is notorious for never listening to the general public (except some good balances) they really should implement some type of census.
Ghazter2 votesYeah, man, I love fighting all the champs that were always on my jungle ban list EVERY GAME. Not only did they make jungle a worse role overall, they also made it less impactful early game. You can't get lvl 4 with a full clear without taking Krugs, even with the ol' cheese strat (leave one small wolf, gromp > blue > finish wolf > red > raptors). Now even doing that full clear AND scuttle you only get to lvl 3 with about half xp to lvl 4.
Rito plz
Khristophoros2 votesI feel like if jungle monsters didn't hurt so much it would open up jungle variety. You can't contest shit when you're constantly low health while clearing.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesThat just makes you bad though. If you sit in the middle of the camp as Camille or Kayn yeah you get brought to half health. If you actually kite the camp you take MINIMAL damage. Also mindlessly killing the big wolf or something as a single target jungler doesn't help your health bar.
TheCodeisCupCake2 votesLoving Full AD graves tanking tower shots while dealing 500 dmg per auto. Keep up the good work!
Pika Fox1 votesIf hes tanking tower shots then stun him... Its not like he has much of an escape. Plus hes only tanky after using his E, which leaves only his R for mobility.
haaaaaaalp2 votesThought the main priority was to stop junglers from deciding lanes.
Jaygo412 votesYeah so they said "Alright, your role sucks now"
Perma CC2 votesJungle is now in a healthy spot... im fine with these changes.
º Kindred º2 votesPlaying 
feels now so fucking shit when you dont get any help and play against some early cheesers. If you screw up or they just group up on you you pretty much dont have a passive and also lost the game...
Ranmaru2 votesGraves was meta for 2 patches THE AGONY
Eedat5 votesIs this your first year playing or something?
SpecterVonBaren2 votesHEY GUYS LOOK AT MY TWO DAY SAMPLE OF DATA AND HOW ITS TOTALLY THE PERMANENT META AND WILL NEVER CHANGE NOW EVER!!!
Dear God you people are worse than political forums. At least they're talking about country wide changes and about a system that people actually are required to pay money to instead of a freaking free to play video game.
PhearBunny1 voteshave we considered just playing 2top and not even using a jungler now?
ChaddyFantome1 voteshave we considered just playing 2top and not even using a jungler now?
the only thing that made it viable back in the day was that the number or champions that could actually jungle was very low at the time, and junglign required plenty of setup and prep before the game started to do at all.
As long as Jungling isn't an ordeal, it will almost always be suboptimal to not have a jungler.
Outside of maybe Morde + someone else top or some fringe strat, I can't really see it being better than having a champion actually take advantage of the bags of gold sitting in the woods while the other gets a lane to themselves.
ChaddyFantome1 votesWhen top tier Junglers said they wanted more Jungler v Jungler interaction, being forced to fiesta for crabs or lose otherwise wasn't exactly what they had in mind...
I can't help but feel the decision was tainted by an appeal to making LCS and competitive more "exciting".
But I'll give it some time. It hasn't been live for long enough for me to make a hard opinion on it.
ChasmOfTrossm1 votesIt's bad enough jungle-players get abused nearly as much as support players (we get bitched at for everything, everything that goes wrong in a match is our fault because "reasons", there is absolutely zero responsibility being taken on part of the laners), and now late-game junglers are about to get shitted on, at least at higher elos.
Fondling Gems1 votesWhile so far I am not a fan of the changes, the meta does deserve a bit longer to stabilize before you can make comparisons like these. The LoL community isn't exactly fast to pick up old strats again. Off meta junglers, even if they become good again, will take a while before they start to see play by the community.
Ionian Vulpix1 votes is basically unplayable right now.