@riot: why are you throwing champs into the dumpster?

Critmaster Garen··2 votes·510 views

looking at the current batch of nerfs on the pbe, isnt that a little bit too much?

while darius is balanced overall, most of the complaints come from the fact that hes still quite the lane bully. his midgame and ability to teamfight have never been considered a problem and are actually still kindof weak.

so why are you hitting him with a nerf that not only tunes down his early game, but severely impairs his ability to teamfight? its going to be much more difficult to hit more than 1 champion directly in front of him.

out of all the options you had, you chose this instead of simply adjusting some scalings like you usually do.

and fiora. i hope youre aware that shes gonna need compensation buffs after this. youre nerfing her ability to teamfight, which isnt great in the first place. fioras usually use their ult to execute low hp targets right now, because its their only option to realistically get the heal off in such a situation. if you make that change there needs to be something else to improve her ability to sustain herself through a teamfight, or otherwise shes just trashed after this.

meanwhile vayne gets 3 base ad nerfed and more ad lategame, like what the fuck is going on?

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Pika3102 votes

@riot: why are you throwing champs into the dumpster?

That's just typical Riot behavior. I don't even question it anymore. As a matter of fact, I expect it now.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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That's just typical Riot behavior. I don't even question it anymore. As a matter of fact, I expect it now.

no, this goes beyond the normal range of nerfs, which should have been something like reduced early base damage or something similar along those lines.

this is just deliberately destroying champs who arent an actual issue, moaning and whining of everyone below plat aside. they do have reasonable winrates.

disregardable2 votes

Darius 90% ban rate in plat+ Fiora 76% ban rate in plat+

"not issues"

lol. keep crying.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Darius 90% ban rate Fiora 76% ban rate

"not issues"

lol. keep crying.

ban rates are irrelevant. herd mentality plays a big role when it comes to banrates. there are much stronger champions running around that are currently not getting banned.

compared to the actual amount of games played, their winrates are acceptable. and theyre not just trying to tune these champs down in certain areas while keeping them overall intact. theyre going way too far with this.

Weiner the Pooh2 votes

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Darius 90% ban rate in plat+ Fiora 76% ban rate in plat+

"not issues"

lol. keep crying.

they may be issues but making Fiora's ult last 2 seconds is fucking retarded, they should just remove and it let her only use qwe and passive that's literally what this is doing. And if u manage to proc all 4 the reward needs to be much higher. the whole nerf is fucking stupid shes garbage now. GJ riot. like i seriously have no idea why this nerf is necessary the ult is stupid hard to get off already u can just run away and laugh as she tries to hit the one behind u unless she flashes and it can be QSS'd, that alone is reason to not nerf it.

disregardable1 votes

Her 5 second heal is more than Janna's, on a fighter, though. What makes her kit strong (damage, mobility, reflecting anything thrown at her) is literally exactly the same.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Her 5 second heal is more than Janna's, on a fighter, though. What makes her kit strong (damage, mobility, reflecting anything thrown at her) is literally exactly the same.

her "janna heal" doesnt come on demand by hitting r, and doesnt come with the most important part, that makes janna a strong support. the aoe knockback.

tbh, i found the heal weird in the first place. but that doesnt mean removing it without giving her something in return is a good idea.

if they want to make that change, then maybe hey have a reason. but its only half of the equation. she still needs something to compensate and make her better in teamfights.

and that darius nerf is just reckless. what they should have done is something similar with the heal on his q that tunes him down in lane and makes him stronger when fighting multiple opponents.

disregardable1 votes

I can think of a reason. It gives her further incentive to use it on tanks instead of on two-shotting squishies with 50% health true damage. It's an either or now. You get an epic heal or you get a dead carry. Personally, I'd say she doesn't need to be much better than Jax in teamfights, and as she is live she is much better than Jax in teamfights. You may think that means Jax needs a buff, but I personally think that means she doesn't need compensation.

Lord Azır2 votes

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fioras usually use their ult to execute low hp targets right now, because its their only option to realistically get the heal off in such a situation.

Earlier today I was playing a game as Shyvana top against a Fiora. I completely dumpstered her in lane but the game dragged out to 50 minutes.

That being said this was my full build: item 3047 item 3153 item 3742 item 3748 item 3065 item 3083

This was the Fiora build: item 3047 item 3071 item 3074 item 3031 item 3065 item 3022

We ran into each other right before the game ended and faught, the second I got near her she blew her ulti, was able to dance around me and within just 4 seconds completely 100-0 me. I had about 4-4.5k hp, I checked the death recap and it said I received over 3000 true damage from those 4 hits from her ult alone. Checked the after game stats and saw she did about 50k dmg to champions and 26k of that was true damage. This champion is the most toxic, broken thing in the game and should be deleted and you're saying she needs "compensation buffs". LOL pls.

disregardable1 votes

Kappa?

General Esdeath 1 votes

Fiora "The Grand Duelist"

"WHY CAN'T SHE TEAMFIGHT?!?"

I'll leave you to think about that one for a moment. And she needs these nerfs because of the exact reason you named. She can heal her whole team with a free Janna ult for just hitting R Q one time. As for Darius, they want him to have high scaling to be a powerhouse that has high damage + tank stats. The heal was because he can be burst down easily, meaning he's supposed to run in the middle of a team and Q (Hard and risky) but they need to tone him down.

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