So with Taric's new ult, it requires timing and actual thought ahead of time.
Grandpa is still over here instantly saving his allies though.... Could we add like a 1-1.5 second activation delay? Like the clocks have to a full rotation to actually capture an image of that champion for later resurrection or something?
The idea is sound, but the description is weird I admit. Ideas are welcome.
alfavhunter3 votesSingle target vs aoe
revive vs invunerable
Reaction time vs prediction
Swishy Mage vs bulky tank
Revive target can't fight in the revive vs targets still able to attack, move, and cast
Zilean ult is fine as is
yeulx1 votesyep basically.... ontop of that u have like idk a few secconds whiel ur revivng when u cant do anything so if ur team loses or runs away theres a chacne u can revive in the enemy team*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*
LatetotheRace1 votesFair point, but I don't think it's enough to justify in Zilean's case.
Revive is arguably worse, as you are simply encouraged to leave that person alone entirely unless you want to kill them again. You can still CC Taric and it's advised as to make them vulnerable when the time runs out.
These strong utility based abilities should all be prediction. Besides, is a 1 second delay so detrimental to his operation?
These can't even be compared as the abilities themselves are too different.
Mentioned^^
Nope, sorry mate.
alfavhunter2 votesFair point, but I don't think it's enough to justify in Zilean's case.
Revive is arguably worse, as you are simply encouraged to leave that person alone entirely unless you want to kill them again. You can still CC Taric and it's advised as to make them vulnerable when the time runs out.
These strong utility based abilities should all be prediction. Besides, is a 1 second delay so detrimental to his operation?
These can't even be compared as the abilities themselves are too different.
Mentioned^^
Nope, sorry mate.
Zilean ult does t stop you from CCing his ulted target, or even damaging them
What it does do is if you kill them the target will revive, which isn't instant, there is a delay that the revive I spit of the fight. On top of that he can't move to reposition, so zilean ult has its drawbacks as well, it's not OP or unfair in any way, because zilean can be CCed, zoned out of range of helping his priority revive target, exc
His ult is it OP, partially because it took a lot of his champion power budget (he only has 1 damaging spell)
yeulx2 votesDenied because u know that his ultimate just like tarics ultimate can be played around the only difference is that when someones reviving from zilians ultimate they cant do anything.... or say when u see the golden hour glasses on a target.. maby not kill them untill it fades off? i mean he can nolonger reset his ultimates with a W so i find it to be fair and balanced [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesZilean can wait until the Veigar ult is in midair before casting Chronoshift on the doomed target.
yeulx1 votesyeah but ur just pulling out ONE type of matchup... and people should learn to play around things like say... maby try and force zilean to use his ulti on somethign else or on someone else.. before u guys try and fight ...and personally o dont think veigars ultimate has any coutner play to it as well as zileans ultimate..because his is a skillshot nuke that scails off of enemy ap hopefully not anymore after the rework but the only way u can counter it is zhonyas but say u get stunned in his E and hten he ultimates u and 1shot u how is that any better? zhonyas? well if u pop it then the enemy team can just focus u ..... thing is people dont really play smartly tryign to make peopel waste ultimates and what not before fighting.. because if u manage to do that u have about a 60 seccond window to teamfight or even get a pick on someone or even force an objective
LatetotheRace1 votesYou really can't play around a snap GA on a 60 second CD. The actual GA is on a 5 minute cooldown for a reason. Besides, there is no counterplay to when he ults his team's carry. If you ignore them, you're dead. If you kill them, so what? "I'll be Back!"
LatetotheRace1 votesYou can afford to CC taric while he's ulted. In an effort to outplay zilean's ult, you cannot afford to touch that person as you risk killing them. (which is what zilean want's you to do)
Zero Skill Tank2 votesWould be welcome, they added some counterplay to Zil's kit in the past but he could still use much more of it.
lightdragoon881 votesSooo...putting a delay on the ult that would revive the person...even though the revive part has a delay on it?
LatetotheRace1 votesAlright, halve the resurrection time, but add a start delay. That sounds like a fair trade.
EarthenDragon1 votesZileans ult still allows allies to be cc'd and killed. Taric makes it to where nothing but base super towers can touch you. I disagree with your idea of putting Zileans ult on a timer.
LatetotheRace1 votes"Zileans ult still allows allies to be cc'd and killed' That's literally the point of his ult. Remember though, taric and his allies can still be CC'd in the duration, so it's almost the same as when you have to deal with kindred.
DrDiaga1 votesCompletely unnecessary. His ult isn't op, zil overall is meh.
No need.
LatetotheRace1 votesI would agree if, IF the ult didn't have scaling health restoration. If it was a flat per rank amount, I'd be okay. But this is an instant GA on steroids.
Iceember1 votesInb4 he has actually tried reviving a tank with zil ulti.
alfavhunter1 votesI would agree if, IF the ult didn't have scaling health restoration. If it was a flat per rank amount, I'd be okay. But this is an instant GA on steroids.
It scales with zileans AP, so to make it heal a lot zileans has to build as a squishy Mage, opening him up to be CCed and bursted and not even be able to get the ult off
Your complaint on his ult is the same as complaining that an adc shouldn't get scaling AAs with AD, it's how mages work with scaling on AP, and only two of his abilities have AP scaling, Q and R
CrazFight 1 votesYou could always not focus the person zilean ulted ^_^