how does kayle even do dmg ?

SiG DxD·Oct 20, 2015·6 votes·953 views

it doesnt ,51 to 99 base ad ,Q low ratios ,point and click sure ,but even with much ap it barely scratches on 8 s cd E is 30% but toggle-able ,not perma toggled like chogath or teemo and teemo`s applies a powerful dot all the damage is QE ?

winrate proves nothing that is 50% but popularity being like 10 persons a server raise the ap ratios a bit please

many otherrs get more dmg on half cd

i takes like 30 hits to kill crab maybe scales ,but so slow that you will lose early and get farmed non stop

has no burst ,mediocre dps

unfun ? under 2% popularity for a reason

is she that unsatisfying to play?

Q is like slow only ,0 dmg and rest is 10 s of E ,then you realise you got deleted by a viktor EQ

16 Comments

junglerboy16Oct 20, 20155 votes

item 3115 , item 3091 , and item 3085 is how she does damage.

Nashors adds an extra 15% AP ratio to her AAs, and with the arcane blade mastery, she has a total of 50% AP on every AA with E up. Additionally, the CDR means E is up permanently (you only need one other CDR item to keep it up at all times). Wit's gives even more DPS while also shredding MR (which stacks with her passive allowing her to ignore a large amount of an enemy's resists easily). Reunion's gives her a huge amount of AS and allows her to hit targets repeatedly with her E, since they can be hit by the splash damage and the secondary bolts for double the on-hit damage, effectively allowing her to deal 80% AP on-hit to secondary targets.

She looks like she does no damage based on her numbers, but when you actually see her with a normal build and in action, you realize that written numbers can be really deceiving.

SiG DxDOct 20, 20151 votes

sounds cool mbut from what u wrote with so many ap ratios ,u barely have ap ratio from nashor wit end and huriccane 0 ap and the hurricane doesnt make E do more dmg overlapping E bolt with E splash

much attack speed ,dps falls of late game either way no burst i played this build but takes too many attacks to kill someone while if u get crited 2 times u died and not only the one scenario where someone like lux or viktor etc can EQR and explode you before you attack 30 times

ValyrianBladeOct 20, 20155 votes

To the posts here

You're not wrong, but Kayle could still use a buff. She was penalized on base AD, on her E AP ratios, etc... all due to the various jungle items and jungle changes.

Now devourer has been changed to take twice as long to proc on ranged champions. They could at least revert the 5 AD nerf. I haven't played her on the rift in ages, but it seems like she's a shadow of her past self and not worth playing at the moment.

SiG DxDOct 20, 20151 votes

agree trinity /sheen /lichbane and E and dps is low because of the base ad 51 to 99

i bought runeglaive and it did 81 dmg omg 81 dmg

ValyrianBladeOct 20, 20152 votes

Then you're building her wrong.

The builds people are posting here are correct for Kayle.

Devourer, Nashor's tooth, Runaan's hurricane, Berserker Treads, Wits End, Void Staff.

You become a team fighting monster. It's all about that on hit damage. %AP from Nashor's tooth, 42 from Wits End, some on devourer, loads of magic and armor shred from your E in AOE with Runaan's extra AOE and the pen from Void staff. Then Devourer's passive.

If you're laning with Kayle, same build except you start at Nashors (with no Devourer) and add either Rabadons / Hextech Gunblade to the build for more AP (and Gunblade so you can let them get you low, ult yourself, and heal to nearly full during your ult).

Kayle was outright OP before the devourer nerf. Hence the 5AD nerf. Now that the devourer nerf has come in, I'd like to see the AD nerf reverted, that's all. Although I did just look up her win rates and they were awfully high, so I'm not sure now...

RenailleOct 20, 20154 votes

Her E is activated, not toggled and with max cdr you keep it up permanently. Kayle is fine and does tons of dps. She isn't a burst caster, she is a dps mage.

360D3GR3SSOct 20, 20151 votes

You actually don't even need 40% i think.

Secret Butt FunOct 20, 20151 votes

She does damage through items and her synergy with them, which is why she is considered late game. Yes, she has low scalings, but with all the items she builds that add additional little scalings here and there, it's just an illusion that she's weak.

ErockandrollOct 20, 20151 votes

Here's the problem. Kayle is so damage reliant, that she becomes problematic any time her kit actually works. I remember when kayle was actually a good at split pushing. That was also back when no one built Runnan's except Kayle. And everyone screamed, "Gut Her"

One little damage nerf, and she disapeared. Didn't showed up again until Sated came out. (though I never bought into her as a Jungler) And then Devourer got nerfed specifically for ranged champs.

I'm beginning to think riot doesn't want her to do damage.

NarsicusOct 20, 20151 votes

Yeah, she has a tendency to suddenly spring back in the limelight when something comes out that synergizes well with her. Then Riot brings out the nerf bat to tap her just out of the mainstream once more.

I could see them fully reworking her, she has a very old style kit and a tendency to run rampant with the slightest unintended item changes or additions and be useless without their insane synergy.

P1anBbroOct 20, 20151 votes

item 3931 item 1330 item 3085 item 3115 item 3151 item 3116 item 2139 Having these items on kayle does so much dmg, allows kayle to permaslow people with her e, and allows her to almost have no cd for her e.

NemeBroOct 20, 20151 votes

Kayle has the highest win rate in mid and jungle, and the second highest win rate top.

Buff Kayle? More like nerf Kayle, amirite?

BiBoX2Oct 22, 20151 votes

She's played by 5 players who has 1000+ games, 5 more players with 900+ games, 4 more players with 800+ games, and 6 players with 500+ games... The players experience can make up for the lackluster of champion kit, but if you ever see her pick rate > 1% you'll see her win-rate drop by 2% or so.

NemeBroOct 22, 20151 votes

{quoted}

She's played by 5 players who has 1000+ games, 5 more players with 900+ games, 4 more players with 800+ games, and 6 players with 500+ games... The players experience can make up for the lackluster of champion kit, but if you ever see her pick rate > 1% you'll see her win-rate drop by 2% or so.

Yet even players who are just picking her up have a 51% win rate with her top and mid, and only a little bit below 50% in the jungle (likely due to her first clears being unsafe).

Kayle's kit lackluster? She has the ability to make anyone on her team immune to dying for two seconds, which ensures she has a place in team fights and makes her a pretty good duelist as well. Her E allows her inflict spell effects with autos, which is why Rylai's is such a cheesy buy on her. Her Q and W are a little tacked on, but her passive makes it hard to effectively itemize against her. Kayle's kit is boring. But weak? Nah.

SiG DxDOct 23, 20151 votes

cant prove anything with your stupid winrates ,because its under 2% popularity lets say around 18 times less than vayne or jinx

OOOOHHHHBABYOct 20, 20151 votes

She's an early game and late game demon. mid game for some reason she is complete cock and i found myself always fleeing more than autoing. She's weird. She's been nerfed enough IMO, its just the items that are broken if anything