Everytime i go in promo it feels like an automatic loss from champ select. Like i dont understand how easy it is to stomp games before promo and once you into promo EVERYONE manages to lose lane. i've only won 4 out of my 10promso so far. p5
Zelorxon5 votesIt's not like riot manipulates matchmaking to make you play more games than needed, you must be imagining things...
dominusx5 votesit's not like i lost another promo because i had number 2 challenger russia in my team who went afk for 5mins. or my toplaner who was master 300lp feed a diamond 3 poppy.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER4 votesHeh, it's always been in your promos you get pretty horrible teammates last night I won 5 in a row then proceeded to lose the next two which were my promo games. I think there's only been one time I ever won a series first try playing league for this long.
Sraeg20133 votesHow I know that feeling. Two seasons ago I spent the whole freaking season in Gold 1, unable to win a single promo.
3 wins -> 3 loses -> 3 wins -> 3 loses etc.
I think the record back then were 17 consecutive promos.
PhDs Nuts3 votesI had to be a babysitter for 45 minutes in my last promo game because our Yasuo, after going like 1-6 in lane, started getting flamed by our Lee Sin. Yasuo started saying shit like "Do you want to lose? I can make it happen" and then refused to group and intentionally fed, because punishing the 1 flaming teammate is more important than working with the other 3. Lee Sin kept egging him on, and started feeding because he was paying more attention to flaming and typing than playing.
Still won, and may God have mercy on their souls fuck them both.
Supreme Senpai692 votesLiterally describing 15% of my games. Don't get me wrong, like 40% have an AFK or intent feeder, but that specific scenario is only 15%.
ANYUSERNAME2 voteshello yes in every game look for teammates statistics in promos it will be ( in the comment owners case ) 150-400 normal wining players ( teammates ) vs 1000+ sometimes even gold players and you can not do anything but watch your teammates feed and carry them ( btw this is mostly in promos ) and after you win a games often
Elohaven2 votesYeah - it happens.
I find that if I spread positive fluffs of energy people start doing better <3.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Carnerox2 votesIt's because the game is trying to force you towards a 50% winrate, so they start stacking the odds against you. It happens with winstreaks, win 5 games in a row and I fucking guarantee 1-2 of your teammates in that 6th game will be on a significant losing streak, like 8 games. It's the system trying to balance binary aspects, extreme winners with extreme losers to create a mediocre result.
It doesn't feel fair but from a mathematical standpoint it makes sense. If you continue to win those stacked games, then your mmr is increasingly inflated and you receive more and more stacked games while your mmr is inflating. LP gains have a cap, but ultimately it will result in you skipping multiple divisions until your gain of LP finally meets your gain of mmr.
The problem with this system though is that your MMR inflation and the stacking of the team doesn't really account for the fact that the game is team based. An elo system, which originally was used for chess, merely matched you with higher rated opponents until you eventually get a 50% winrate. Unfortunately, the way that your mmr inflates is still trying to treat you as if this is a 1v1 game, it's not, it's a team game, so by matching you with teammates that are extreme lose streaks you tend to receive trolls or boosted players exceedingly often if you are climbing, particularly if you are smurfing, so the true measure by which you have a game stacked against you cannot be a true measure of your skill because your teammates may keep you down in a situation where you otherwise would win. Essentially, eventually you will be handed a game that is quite literally, impossible for you to win.
Games where you see the enemy team having multiple mid diamond players vs low platinum players occurs when one or two of the players on the ally team having ridiculous mmr and a winning streak, that's forcing the system to warp matchmaking around them. That's why as master tier players reach gold and platinum their climb significantly slows down (gold if from b5, platinum if from unranked) because the game is trying to FORCE them to lose more games so they don't have an 89% winrate.
TLDR: Games are stacked more and more as you win while on a winstreak, so that smurfs climb way faster and players who aren't smurfs will settle back down. Feels shitty but it makes sense mathematically because of the ELO system league uses.
TopperH1 votesBut it doesn't make sense. It should simply be that if you have a high win rate your mmr increases, putting you in games with stronger and stronger players over the time until you play with players of the same skill as you and you go back down to 50% win rate. The system should not actively try to keep you at 50% winrate, you should naturally get 50% win rate when you reach a mmr corresponding to your skill level.
LegitBacon662 votesI TOTALLY AM ON PAR WITH THIS. ALL and I mean ALL my ranked losses this season have been in my promos
Only Play Darius2 votesWhy are promo games a thing in the first place? From what I hear every other game with an MMR system doesn't use promos
DarkRitual1 votesHaving slight systemic variations is fine.
MonkeyMadness2 votesWell, I'm not sure how true this is, but I've heard that the matchmaking algorithm actually tries to offset your win streaks. So if you are winning a lot (and getting into promos) you will be matched with teammates that are on tilt for the sole purpose of stopping your unopposed climb. Why this is the case makes 0% sense to me, it should just be random teammates within your skill bracket, but then again, Riot does a shitload of stuff that makes 0% sense so I'm not even surprised if this is true.
An Undead brat2 votesMy last promo game: 1 trollpick, 2 inters, 1 AFK
Fml, I'm glad I deserve my rank obvsly
Royalmommy2 voteswhy does riot make u lose promos at the last game when u remake
fucking stupid
FreSHAscaNbE2 votesDominux is 100% accurate this happens to everyone I know. should be fixed asap. I usually dont lose a single game back to promos.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesWhy do you care about promos? Your matchmaking is based on mmr. You can be platinum 5 and still play with diamonds with high enough, if you have high mmr.
dominusx15 votesyou dont actually advance if u dont win promos...... ik about mmr i played with mid masters because i had 65% win rate in d5. and if you are simply losing promos 24/7 u drop in mmr. i mean i was getting 25lp in d4 now i get 20. mmr went down by a LOT.
MLDzXnRRR4 votesyou dont actually advance if u dont win promos...... ik about mmr i played with mid masters because i had 65% win rate in d5. and if you are simply losing promos 24/7 u drop in mmr. i mean i was getting 25lp in d4 now i get 20. mmr went down by a LOT.
Eventually you will win, but I think that the whole system is made to addict the kids, so they have to grind. That's why normals are for people like me that don't care about borders.
dominusx3 voteswell i mean i dont care about borders but its a gift or maybe a curse for me when i do something consistently lets say play footbal/workout/league/cod/bf4 I HAVE to see myself improving this is what i live for. i'll do some real talk here i've never had goals ever since i was a youngster the only thing i like in life is picking up an activity and watching myself improve on it.So if i platue on something be it beeing stuck in diamond 3 not beeing able to pull of a trick with the ball or maybe not growing my muscles it triggers the living shit outta me. and the league system seriously triggers me. i mean i climbed to diamond2 during summer 2016 in 70games. and then i had another account where it got perma stuck in diamond 4 for 150games its too much luck based nowadays and it makes me wanna quit. but money is money. and i earn a few spare bucks from league.
gremgar1 votesREAL talk. I hit 80% winrate on vlad over 60 game on vlad and as soon as I hit promos to gold solid straight afk/feeders that had a history of feeding so I know Riot put them in there to "test" me.
Oh yeah and on the way there a couple of times my enemies visible got better/started actually playing the game. but when youre entire team feeda a bunch of silvers could beat you if they group properly. That is how the game is designed
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesYou underestimate the MMR penalties in diamond. A few losses and you lose 17-20 lp and win maybe 15.
MLDzXnRRR1 votesYou underestimate the MMR penalties in diamond. A few losses and you lose 17-20 lp and win maybe 15.
your mmr is a hidden number and losing lp winning lp doesn't matter that much for it, because it checks some other stats too (similar to the S grade)
dominusx3 votesno. its solely based on win rate. if you have below 53% win rate in diamond you are in for a LONG grind.
Zone of Endless1 votesno. its solely based on win rate. if you have below 53% win rate in diamond you are in for a LONG grind.
Is it? I've had 65% winrate for a while and then lost promos and bunch of other game to 58-60% and LP started to tank like a mofo. +20ish while losing 18-20
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesErr nope. LP is nothing else than the MMR "points" you win and lose. That whole division thingy is nothing else than a fancy package to "disguise" the MMR. When in season two you got mmr per win you now get LP.
AfroXD1 votesIve never replied to a comment on a post since i started playing in S1, but i had to log in just so i can reply and let you know how dumb this post Reads, what do you mean why do we care about promo's, Hmmm lets think, we play ranked to get a high/better ranked for better games , Correct? The only way to climb is to win your "promo's" games. Thats why the GP cares so much about Promo games sir, re-evaluate your thinking before posting another idiotic comment on a thread sir
Nami in Bush1 votesLucky.
I always lose at 90-99LP 2/3 times in a row
Then I get to my series and they feed
When I was in G5 in Season 4 I was in series 18 times to G4. I promoted one time then got demoted
Pretty much happening again in P4 (d5 last season) in this shithole meta where picks decide who wins
Unvictus1 votes2 times now I've gotten to my promos to gold and both times I won the first two games EASILY.... and then Riot says fk you and gives me trash teammates with no common sense who troll and int feed and I lost the next three games in a row.. Both fkin times..