RE: Attack damage vs Attack speed

HàrrowR··1 votes·2,239 views
Gyazo

Okay let me try this again, unless you scale directly with AS like Vayne or Kai Sa, getting double zeals early isn't worth it cause more damage means more burst, easier kiting and more ability damage.

ATTENTION: Please watch the gifs or go to practice tool before commenting, MORE AS does not always equal MORE DPS

https://gyazo.com/593ce635648c746f5ecd5876942f5d95 https://gyazo.com/41238ee2ccbd1ea4fb0e0366649a94f0

This is all im arguing item 3006 item 3031 item 3086 item 3086 vs item 3031 item 3086 item 3036

(i put zeal so i dont have to explain to people again that i in fact do understand that Jinx works well with Runans or that Draven can really abuse that extra range of a RFC, so just imagine a completed zeal item of your choice)

By mid game when you finish your third item, anyone building even item 3157 will have very well over 100 armor, a tank will already have 250 armor easily, getting more AS will not in fact give you more dps than getting a LDR unless youre Vayne.

https://gyazo.com/ae4839b793167ce6d64cb75d89e41afa, this is a level 13 Jinx, she has with only +6 armor rune 72 armor already, and that's the lowest you'll probably see on the rift in mid game, https://gyazo.com/3e3ce8bd3f4dacb021a1e05551056790 this is an example of mid-game mage with only Zhonya, 101 armor, like i said a tank or a tanky support will easily have 200 or more.

Again what im trying to argue is that by having more damage you have higher burst, as my first gif shows, higher ability damage (again unless you scale directly with AS) and easier kiting.

Also with some specific adcs like Sivir you can actually go item 3031 item 3086 item 3508 for 75% crit.

Now for some added explaining, Tristana E benefits greatly from damage and Arpen, you in fact will deal more ABILITY (key word ability) damage to a turret with IE Zeal LDR than double zeals, and more than likely will deal same dps anyway.

You in fact will burst harder on any champion, i dont know why this needs explaining but if your abilities deal more damage while your dps remains the same you in fact will burst harder.

This also strangely needs explaining but the difference between 2 zeal items and 1 zeal items is 30% AS, so you're not comparing 2.5 AS to 0.8AS youre comparing 1.26AS to 1.45 at lvl 13, with tristana Q ,one zeal item is 2.0 AS, 2 zeal items is 2.17.

Also i cant believe it but this needs explaining too, difference between 50% crit and 75% crit is , you guessed it, 25% crit, since some people argued like there's no crit involved.

Bottom line is, going for a item 3036 instead of another zeal item on Tristana Jinx Caitlyn Twitch or going for item 3031 item 3086 item 3508 on Sivir Xayah Will in fact give you more burst, more ability damage, better dps against anyone with at least 1 armor item and if not then completely equal dps, and easier kiting due to lower AS and higher Damage

And please for the love of god, more damage equals stronger crits and stronger non crits too, don't compare 350 damage crits to one another cause more crit and as means less damage per crit and non crit too, AA dps will remain roughly the same while buying 5600 worth of AS and crit will not have any effect on your ability damage

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Silly Neeko1 votes

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FIrst of all im not wrong https://gyazo.com/41238ee2ccbd1ea4fb0e0366649a94f0 https://gyazo.com/593ce635648c746f5ecd5876942f5d95

More dps with less AS, meanwhile your abilities deal more damage. Secondly if you're going to be patronizing someone and down talking you should at least know what youre talking about and what item does what and how much stats it gives

Oh boy.... you are really starting to sound hopeless.

Ok, I did not want to go into a very overly specified thing because honestly I figured you were not doing this just because you were bored. But here goes.


As you can tell from those videos, the initial burst of dps was higher, also you are not factoring in what happens with multiple targets with the rockets. Also, Phantom dancer I believe is fairly iffy now.... very situational. Hurricane and Rapid Fire Cannon are not. What you did not factor in, is that if you are literally standing there autoing a target to death like that.... you are either going to kill them in the first few autos (which crit chance had higher initial damage), or you are in bronze.

That said, most of the time by 3 items, you are at the point in time that you are trying to avoid being picked off by assassins, and you are mostly poking before a team fight. Movement speed is Highly valuable at that point because you can use your Fishbones and shoot them from a great distance (initial damage is better for crit rate, as per your video).... so you are going to poke for more. At this point, you should be realizing what you have been missing. That is the UTILITY of the zeal items and how they work with various champions.

Tristana's main burst is the 4 shots for the bomb. Attack speed is prefered, but range is ehhh.... so either Shiv or phantom dancer works better.

Caitlyn prefers attack speed and range... hurricane doesnt work on her anymore for her passive so that is less prefered.... RFC and shiv or Phantom works better for her.

Jhin uses RFC to increase range, gets bonus damage for att speed and crit strike, and can get the bonus move speed with every crit.... which means more kiting potential. This means that Phantom Dancer or Shiv would also work on him if not using all 3 for 100% (debateable depending on the persons preference and ability to work with it).

It is not JUST about dps. It is about that initial burst of damage that is also a stronger dps at full build.

There are some exceptions like Vayne and Ashe like you said, but all but Lucian will benefit greatly from 2 zeal items because it enhances their ability to do damage in various circumstances.

If this does not click in your mind as to how the Zeal items after a damage item help in more cases than full damage.... then i am really not sure how else to help you.


P.S. you are looking at my current rank, i have done like 12 games of ranked so far and often times we won lane but lost game due to people rushing in 1v5 or varying other reasons. Quite a few deaths of mine were that I was trying to help make a bad situation better because it was pretty much the only chance we had.... and im not for padding my KDA then blaming my team in game because it does nothing.

Also, I dont normally play ranked, not everyone has to try and validate their claim by their rank. I validate mine through facts that i have gathered from my over 8000 games of league played. But please, try bringing ranked into this again in a desperate attempt to prove yourself correct when you are wrong.


Also, good attempt to delete your first post when you were already explained to in full detail why you were wrong.

Edit: i copied and pasted this from a reply i was going to do on this persons previous post which they deleted inwhich more than just me explained in great detail why they were wrong. Thus why this post of theirs was reposted.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-08T02:52:55.386+0000)

Tristana's main burst is the 4 shots for the bomb. Attack speed is prefered, but range is ehhh.... so either Shiv or phantom dancer works better.

Caitlyn prefers attack speed and range... hurricane doesnt work on her anymore for her passive so that is less prefered.... RFC and shiv or Phantom works better for her.

Jhin uses RFC to increase range, gets bonus damage for att speed and crit strike, and can get the bonus move speed with every crit.... which means more kiting potential. This means that Phantom Dancer or Shiv would also work on him if not using all 3 for 100% (debateable depending on the persons preference and ability to work with it).


Also, good attempt to delete your first post when you were already explained to in full detail why you were wrong.

"(i put zeal so i dont have to explain to people again that i in fact do understand that Jinx works well with Runans or that Draven can really abuse that extra range of a RFC, so just imagine a completed zeal item of your choice)"

I specifically write this, and i still get a person explaining to me why Jhin, who wasn't even in the damn discussion, buys RFC.

" Also, good attempt to delete your first post when you were already explained to in full detail why you were wrong."

You "explained" to me, as good as you did here, completetly missing the point again and explaining why Jinx works well with Runans, also im to lazy to record another gif, just do a full combo with Tristana with my two proposed builds, its literally 1k damage difference, also initial burst is higher on LDR one, you just didnt pay attention, also that is not factoring in abilities, W does 120 damage more, R does 30% more damage, and im not talking about one specific champion, again you're missing the point completely.

Just don't comment if you're not going to read through a post and then just comment something that's completely unrelated like discussing Jhin.

I dont think you understand the utility of arpen and extra damage, maybe you havent played vs anyone in your 8000 games that bought a single armor item, lucky you.

"and you are mostly poking before a team fight"

First of all, even your poke is stronger with more damage due to your crits being stronger not to mention your abilities, secondly the fight will have to start eventually and then the utility of a RFC will fade away compared to raw power of LDR.

I keep forgeting how people are deluded on this boards, why am i even trying the other day a person tried to convince me that any adc can kill fiora by standing in place and that he will in fact kill her before she reaches him.

Silly Neeko1 votes

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"(i put zeal so i dont have to explain to people again that i in fact do understand that Jinx works well with Runans or that Draven can really abuse that extra range of a RFC, so just imagine a completed zeal item of your choice)"

I specifically write this, and i still get a person explaining to me why Jhin, who wasn't even in the damn discussion, buys RFC.

" Also, good attempt to delete your first post when you were already explained to in full detail why you were wrong."

You "explained" to me, as good as you did here, completetly missing the point again and explaining why Jinx works well with Runans, also im to lazy to record another gif, just do a full combo with Tristana with my two proposed builds, its literally 1k damage difference, also initial burst is higher on LDR one, you just didnt pay attention, also that is not factoring in abilities, W does 120 damage more, R does 30% more damage, and im not talking about one specific champion, again you're missing the point completely.

Just don't comment if you're not going to read through a post and then just comment something that's completely unrelated like discussing Jhin.

I dont think you understand the utility of arpen and extra damage, maybe you havent played vs anyone in your 8000 games that bought a single armor item, lucky you.

"and you are mostly poking before a team fight"

First of all, even your poke is stronger with more damage due to your crits being stronger not to mention your abilities, secondly the fight will have to start eventually and then the utility of a RFC will fade away compared to raw power of LDR.

I keep forgeting how people are deluded on this boards, why am i even trying the other day a person tried to convince me that any adc can kill fiora by standing in place and that he will in fact kill her before she reaches him.

You post videos of standing still shooting a dummy. I brought in multiple examples not just jhin and jinx, they were ones that YOU brought up in the other post.... this was just copy and pasted what i was about to post there.

It also was not just me who explained why you were wrong.

Also, lifesteal works better with attack speed.

ALSO your first post did not state to buy any zeal items, and actually said NOT to seeing as you had said you often do not buy any. So yes, you are changing your arguement left and right after having your arguement shut down, which is why you have this new post. When are you deleting this one to make the third?

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T03:35:51.077+0000)

You post videos of standing still shooting a dummy. I brought in multiple examples not just jhin and jinx, they were ones that YOU brought up in the other post.... this was just copy and pasted what i was about to post there.

It also was not just me who explained why you were wrong.

Also, lifesteal works better with attack speed.

ALSO your first post did not state to buy any zeal items, and actually said NOT to seeing as you had said you often do not buy any. So yes, you are changing your arguement left and right after having your arguement shut down, which is why you have this new post. When are you deleting this one to make the third?

I did say that sometimes i dont even buy a zeal item, the gif of me deleting Kayle is without a zeal item, and it works, and i had 16 kills, but i never said that you shouldn't ever buy a zeal item youre making this up. Also lifesteal works exactly the same, im not sure how youre not getting this, if you have 500 dps and you heal for 10% of it its 50 health per second, it doesnt matter if you're hitting the enemy 5 times for 100 damage or 1 time for 500 damage, jeez you literally dont understand how the game works.

No one explained me wrong in that post, it was just you with as bad as an argument as you have now, 1 dude explaining why runans is great on jinx like i didnt know or mention it, and 1 dude that also completely missed the point and started blabering on about how doing 500 crit autos for 2.5 as is better than doing 1 k damage with your abilty which i wasnt even arguing and nevermind how he doesnt understand what i was talking about is how you could be doing the same damage with autos while doing more damage with abilities, so he in fact was arguing that its better to have less ability damage even if aa dmg and dps is the same

Silly Neeko1 votes

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I did say that sometimes i dont even buy a zeal item, the gif of me deleting Kayle is without a zeal item, and it works, and i had 16 kills, but i never said that you shouldn't ever buy a zeal item youre making this up. Also lifesteal works exactly the same, im not sure how youre not getting this, if you have 500 dps and you heal for 10% of it its 50 health per second, it doesnt matter if you're hitting the enemy 5 times for 100 damage or 1 time for 500 damage, jeez you literally dont understand how the game works.

No one explained me wrong in that post, it was just you with as bad as an argument as you have now, 1 dude explaining why runans is great on jinx like i didnt know or mention it, and 1 dude that also completely missed the point and started blabering on about how doing 500 crit autos for 2.5 as is better than doing 1 k damage with your abilty which i wasnt even arguing and nevermind how he doesnt understand what i was talking about is how you could be doing the same damage with autos while doing more damage with abilities, so he in fact was arguing that its better to have less ability damage even if aa dmg and dps is the same

Yes, 500 damage healing 50 is the same as 100 damage 5 times. But you do not magically fall behind half of the damage by having more attack speed. 400 damage is a fairly easy to obtain auto attack. Lets say that has 20% lifesteal because of BT. They have 1 att speed. This means 80 lifesteal per auto. If someone had BT but less damage, more attack speed.... lets say 250 damage per auto.... then you will heal 50 each auto. Every 2 hits you heal 100. Thus you heal more in the same time and also do more damage.

You did not say ANYTHING about jinx's hurricane before, and your arguement was flawed as heck until you edited it. It is still flawed, but atleast better now.

But please, take a look at other diamond games.... look at challenger games even. Look what builds they use. There is a reason as to WHY people do it.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T04:05:00.354+0000)

Yes, 500 damage healing 50 is the same as 100 damage 5 times. But you do not magically fall behind half of the damage by having more attack speed.

And you do not magically get more dps with more AS, yet youre arguing all this time from this exact standpoint, if you have more dps you heal for more its really really simple, and you're still looking at it like its a difference between 2.5 as and 0.5 as when in reality the difference is 0.20 as, yes, its that low, go into a damn practice tool and check it yourself.

Also i played a game with a grandmaster yesterday and he bought runans on vayne so dont act like you know what "all of the challenger" players are building, if i told you they get QSS as their third item you'd lose your mind cause its impossible that they are not getting another zeal first.

Also not every diamond player cares about trying out new build paths, do you remember when every adc had tabis or when ashe built black cleaver, do you think every diamond/challenger player always did that or it was only a handful of people before it caught on.

Ironically even in-game recommended build goes IE zeal LDR, yet people ignore it cause they're just like you, sheep, oh but muh zeal

Silly Neeko1 votes

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And you do not magically get more dps with more AS, yet youre arguing all this time from this exact standpoint, if you have more dps you heal for more its really really simple, and you're still looking at it like its a difference between 2.5 as and 0.5 as when in reality the difference is 0.20 as, yes, its that low, go into a damn practice tool and check it yourself.

Also i played a game with a grandmaster yesterday and he bought runans on vayne so dont act like you know what "all of the challenger" players are building, if i told you they get QSS as their third item you'd lose your mind cause its impossible that they are not getting another zeal first.

Also not every diamond player cares about trying out new build paths, do you remember when every adc had tabis or when ashe built black cleaver, do you think every diamond/challenger player always did that or it was only a handful of people before it caught on.

Ironically even in-game recommended build goes IE zeal LDR, yet people ignore it cause they're just like you, sheep, oh but muh zeal

You literally are picking and choosing what you think you are right about. Seriously. This is really getting sad.

I pointed out that 400 damage with 1 attack speed, vs 250 damage (150 less per auto) with 2 attack speed is more dps. Since you were making up absurd things like 500 damage in 1 auto vs 5 autos of 100.... i figured i would make one that is much more realistic. Things that actually happen.

Also, though hurricane is debateable on Vayne in most situations, it does have its uses depending on what the rest of the build is. Possibly they are getting a wits end for magic resist and extra on hit damage? They wanted it for the wave clearing because Vayne's waveclear is very slow? There are reasons behind it. The QSS is likely because the enemy team had CC.... possibly even an Urgot inwhich the QSS nullifies his ultimate. You are picking and choosing the situations inwhich you think you are right without giving any thought about "what if they have a point?". I never said that it is 100% always 2 zeal items after a damage item all the time.... i said there is reasons behind it that you are ignoring. Still are.

Also, Ezreal does not build zeal items usually. He doesnt use autos primarily, he is a spellcasting adc. He does use autos.... but it not in the same fasion as other ADCs like Caitlyn. He doesnt use crit, he doesnt use attack speed, he uses damage and on hits. So yes, Lord Doms can work well for him.

Maybe if you would actually put a second thought into your posts or commentary then you wouldnt sound like you are a bronze repeating what their favorite streamer says.

Like i said, you learned why you were wrong with your first post, you edited it, and now you know why you are still flawed here. Sure it can be a suggestion, but it is NOT a fits all situation.... nothing is. There is always things that could be done to do better or worse depending on situations that are beyond attacking a dummy. It is good for on paper, but i never claimed that you HAVE to do one thing or the other. I simply was stating the benefits of one over the other in a different way.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T05:32:41.353+0000)

You literally are picking and choosing what you think you are right about. Seriously. This is really getting sad.

I pointed out that 400 damage with 1 attack speed, vs 250 damage (150 less per auto) with 2 attack speed is more dps. Since you were making up absurd things like 500 damage in 1 auto vs 5 autos of 100.... i figured i would make one that is much more realistic. Things that actually happen.

Also, Ezreal does not build zeal items usually. He doesnt use autos primarily, he is a spellcasting adc. He does use autos.... but it not in the same fasion as other ADCs like Caitlyn. He doesnt use crit, he doesnt use attack speed, he uses damage and on hits. So yes, Lord Doms can work well for him.

Why oh why are you giving me an example that you rig to be in your favor, 400 damage with 1 AS (like this is realistic) and 250 dmg with 2as, the dps is higher, of course its gonna heal higher, im 100% sure youre just about trolling me right now cause if not then im really amazed at how you even manage to tie your shoes.

And again you're explaining to me why ez doesnt build zeal, he wasnt even in the discussion, jeez, youre literally wrong with every word you wrote, every damn letter and you think youre somehow right and proved me wrong by completely missing the point again.

Silly Neeko1 votes

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Why oh why are you giving me an example that you rig to be in your favor, 400 damage with 1 AS (like this is realistic) and 250 dmg with 2as, the dps is higher, of course its gonna heal higher, im 100% sure youre just about trolling me right now cause if not then im really amazed at how you even manage to tie your shoes.

And again you're explaining to me why ez doesnt build zeal, he wasnt even in the discussion, jeez, youre literally wrong with every word you wrote, every damn letter and you think youre somehow right and proved me wrong by completely missing the point again.

Because if you want to show only on paper things, that is on paper. It also makes much more sense then 1 auto vs 5 like your example. At least mine IS possible. The other hasnt been possible since Kogmaw lost his 5.04 att speed max, which puts the other at 1 attack speed. Also with strangely enough.... 1/5th of the damage? Quite weird indeed wouldnt you say?

As for the Ezreal thing, little tired last night. Looked like you said "even ingame recommended for ezreal is lord dom". Ill give you that, however i am not wrong about there being things that you fail to consider as to why in more situations it is better to have 2 zeal items rather than just 1. Various examples were given already, and you failed to acknowledge it because you are trying to pick and choose your arguements to be strictly on paper.... if anyone brings in anything that you can not test on a training dummy then you will not acknowledge it at all.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-08T02:52:55.386+0000)

Oh boy.... you are really starting to sound hopeless.

Ok, I did not want to go into a very overly specified thing because honestly I figured you were not doing this just because you were bored. But here goes.


As you can tell from those videos, the initial burst of dps was higher, also you are not factoring in what happens with multiple targets with the rockets. Also, Phantom dancer I believe is fairly iffy now.... very situational. Hurricane and Rapid Fire Cannon are not. What you did not factor in, is that if you are literally standing there autoing a target to death like that.... you are either going to kill them in the first few autos (which crit chance had higher initial damage), or you are in bronze.

That said, most of the time by 3 items, you are at the point in time that you are trying to avoid being picked off by assassins, and you are mostly poking before a team fight. Movement speed is Highly valuable at that point because you can use your Fishbones and shoot them from a great distance (initial damage is better for crit rate, as per your video).... so you are going to poke for more. At this point, you should be realizing what you have been missing. That is the UTILITY of the zeal items and how they work with various champions.

Tristana's main burst is the 4 shots for the bomb. Attack speed is prefered, but range is ehhh.... so either Shiv or phantom dancer works better.

Caitlyn prefers attack speed and range... hurricane doesnt work on her anymore for her passive so that is less prefered.... RFC and shiv or Phantom works better for her.

Jhin uses RFC to increase range, gets bonus damage for att speed and crit strike, and can get the bonus move speed with every crit.... which means more kiting potential. This means that Phantom Dancer or Shiv would also work on him if not using all 3 for 100% (debateable depending on the persons preference and ability to work with it).

It is not JUST about dps. It is about that initial burst of damage that is also a stronger dps at full build.

There are some exceptions like Vayne and Ashe like you said, but all but Lucian will benefit greatly from 2 zeal items because it enhances their ability to do damage in various circumstances.

If this does not click in your mind as to how the Zeal items after a damage item help in more cases than full damage.... then i am really not sure how else to help you.


P.S. you are looking at my current rank, i have done like 12 games of ranked so far and often times we won lane but lost game due to people rushing in 1v5 or varying other reasons. Quite a few deaths of mine were that I was trying to help make a bad situation better because it was pretty much the only chance we had.... and im not for padding my KDA then blaming my team in game because it does nothing.

Also, I dont normally play ranked, not everyone has to try and validate their claim by their rank. I validate mine through facts that i have gathered from my over 8000 games of league played. But please, try bringing ranked into this again in a desperate attempt to prove yourself correct when you are wrong.


Also, good attempt to delete your first post when you were already explained to in full detail why you were wrong.

Edit: i copied and pasted this from a reply i was going to do on this persons previous post which they deleted inwhich more than just me explained in great detail why they were wrong. Thus why this post of theirs was reposted.

https://gyazo.com/e0b7d4fd06929222a1c052326ceed8d0 https://gyazo.com/e7894d328c7b7f6203eb9da49493b11c

This is your poke, even that one auto is higher with LDR, honestly the lightning effect is not even worth factoring in it does literally 50 damage and that's if it hits someone else.

This is 4 auto attacks and E

https://gyazo.com/da4b855e1362f9233cee5157db610e19 https://gyazo.com/57639d1e035368a73a0072e92052e5eb

if you reply know that i will not reply back cause i went down this road once with one person showing him photo evidence and him claiming that i'm actually photoshoping it or that we cant know for sure if i used different runes to get the results so i know that there's no convincing a person when he's wrong and his fragile ego is hurt, the pictures say it all

Silly Neeko1 votes

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https://gyazo.com/e0b7d4fd06929222a1c052326ceed8d0 https://gyazo.com/e7894d328c7b7f6203eb9da49493b11c

This is your poke, even that one auto is higher with LDR, honestly the lightning effect is not even worth factoring in it does literally 50 damage and that's if it hits someone else.

Quite funny you hide the build you used as well. Also you did not factor in any of the utility that the stuff brings which makes them better than just a second damage item early on.

There are cases inwhich full damage is better, yes, but for the MAJORITY of cases 2 zeal items after IE is the better choice. This is why it has been done for the past..... over 7 years? 8 years? Since league started?

Oh wait! This is the case in EVERY game that is like this.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-03-08T03:41:48.282+0000)

Quite funny you hide the build you used as well. Also you did not factor in any of the utility that the stuff brings which makes them better than just a second damage item early on.

There are cases inwhich full damage is better, yes, but for the MAJORITY of cases 2 zeal items after IE is the better choice. This is why it has been done for the past..... over 7 years? 8 years? Since league started?

Oh wait! This is the case in EVERY game that is like this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/6hgwyp/why_is_all_the_lck_adcs_rushing_lord_dominiks_as/

Man you have to stop commenting, every comment you're wrong, it was rushed as a third item before and double zeals didnt exist until what season? 4 or something?

Silly Neeko1 votes

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https://www.reddit.com/r/summonerschool/comments/6hgwyp/why_is_all_the_lck_adcs_rushing_lord_dominiks_as/

Man you have to stop commenting, every comment you're wrong, it was rushed as a third item before and double zeals didnt exist until what season? 4 or something?

Also, this was back when Lord Dom first came back out. It gave damage boost when attacking enemies with more health. It does not now, so it is less of a rush item and only is good when enemies have armor, which is dependant on enemy champions and their builds. It is not a "one step fits all" situation.

HàrrowR1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Silly Neeko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KbEJEbHQ,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-08T04:29:20.143+0000)

Also, this was back when Lord Dom first came back out. It gave damage boost when attacking enemies with more health. It does not now, so it is less of a rush item and only is good when enemies have armor, which is dependant on enemy champions and their builds. It is not a "one step fits all" situation.

What does it matter if it was different back then when your argument was that it was never a third item option in the history of league when it was?

Silly Neeko1 votes

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What does it matter if it was different back then when your argument was that it was never a third item option in the history of league when it was?

I never said it was never a third item option, but that it was not the prefered except for in certain situations. The situations surrounding it was what the item did.... you know, tank "meta"... made it a prefered 3rd item for a little while. Situations have changed. It is still a viable option, but in certain situations that do not occur as much at this point in time.

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