And ppl here want to remove conqueror lmao.
If they did that, the only 2 classes you'd see on your games would be tanks and mages.
Tanks are almost meta again in competitive already (lck games on current patch are seeing 4~5 tanks per game again), do not remove conqueror riot, unless you're willing to replace it with something equally as powerful against tanks.
PopcornBunni3 votesAh yes all of two entire tanks in a sea of fighters, mages, and marksmen with above 50% WR and any decent representation.
Surely this is the dawn of the dreaded """"tank"""" meta
Moody P3 votes"All of two" when there's more than two tanks in the meta right now
PopcornBunni4 votesThe first tank after tier 1 sion and tier 2 poppy is tier fucking 4 malphite with a 48% WR and 2% representation.
The best in the jungle are tier 3 gragas and Sejuani
And a single tier 2 Alistar in support.
Tanks are garbage and have been garbage for nearly 2 years since they were gutted in 7.9.
Moody P3 votesalistar is top tier and Sejuani is probably heading there. She's serviceable in two lanes and has already seen top lane play in pro (LEC) after the buffs.
Winrate is not an indicator of strength. Tanks are weaker in uncoordinated play; if they were pushing the same numbers as soloQ oriented champions they would be overpowered.
Illabethe1 votesAlistar being a top pick confuses me. I shred him.
Sejuani I can believe.
And I do generally support this argument that you're making, but when an adc with no crit items, no armor penetrating items, chases a tank halfway across the map perma slowing him around 4 corners, and kills 380 armor as easy as they would any mage/fighter, I have to question tank viability. I literally had this happen as Ornn vs an Ashe, because she had an Essence Reaver. No matter how much I slowed her and E'd away, she could keep up with me because the skills were all resetting on ER. I couldn't turn and fight her, because a Taric was behind her.
Imo, the three tanks I still consider Viable: Taric, Dr. Mundo, and Sejuani. 2 have healing sustain. The other has through wall mobility and armor/resist buffs, and very high damage for a tank.
I don't consider Sion a tank really. He outdamages most champs in the game as a "Tank." Once someone digs their claws into him he usually dies... The problem is how much control he has over turrets.
Boatwhistle2 votesSion is like that, he is also very well equipped to deal with conqueror as he is very abusive in lane and then he gets tons of hp as the game goes on which is the only counter to true damage. He is one of two or three tanks that do really well in this game state, this is a big group of champions you need to make a better argument then picking out the odd ball that does well no matter what.
Daddy Ants2 votesSion has infinite HP scaling from his W as well as a shield that absorbs a % of his health.
Of course he's good vs Conq... lul
Anime Fizz3 votesSion has infinite HP scaling from his W as well as a shield that absorbs a % of his health.
Of course he's good vs Conq... lul
Sion is good vs everything.
The thing is that, try killing sion without a conqueror user or late game adc, you wont before you die to his base damages lol.
The only reason he can even die is because of conqueror, without conqueror he would be at like 58% wr at his current state..
PH451 votesSion is getting a nerf next patch, thank you Riot.
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
FOR JUSTICE1 votesone champion being strong despite its existence doesnt mean it isnt strong. and for sion its biased anyway considering the direct counter to true damage is a bunch of HP, which sion gets for $free.99
to put it into perspective, does electrocute (the direct counter to squishy classes) suddenly mean lucian isnt strong?
TMek71 votesSion's WR is probably due to conqueror not being super efficient vs him though
boricCentaur11 votesPeople just exaggerate what it does like irelia and jax are the only two champions that are good that use conqueror maybe riven if conqueror was op then more champions would use it and he meta like aartox,urgot never take it are beat almost every conqueror user and they forget that before conqueror tank were just beating those champions.
Ralanr1 votesThey are nerfing Sion. Specifically in the laning phase.
Zed genius1 votesPeople asking for conqueror to be removed don't account for the fact that for every action there's a reaction. Removing conqueror would make tanks lane bullies and impossible to kill mid game.
Infernape1 votesReplace it with Fervor of Battle. Things wasn't this ridiculous when that was a thing.
Illabethe1 votesSion Also received about 3 damage and HP DOUBLING Buffs......
Ult was added 300 damage per tier. W gives 2-5 more HP per kill. Q was damage buffed as well.
He's a horrible starting point for "Tanks have win rates."
Also,
-His ult damages turrets. -Dead he can yolo turrets, and int feed and win. Again. Hardly an argument for a tank beating Conqueror.
heroikc1 votesIsn't Sion a tank? Besides, Conqueror is either stepping on toes, outright useless, or just broken. It EITHER has to be reworked or just dumped.