Last Hitting is about to get even harder

Taliyah Rocks·Feb 22, 2018·23 votes·3,260 views

If anyone hasn't seen patch 8.4, it states:

> Extra Damage to Minions > We were worried that the removal of old runes and masteries would make last-hitting too hard, so we gave all champion attacks a bonus 5 damage against lane minions. Over time, it's become clear this wasn't necessary, so we're reverting that change. > REMOVEDIT HURTS - Basic attacks no longer deal 5 bonus damage to lane minions

Last hitting is already a freakin' struggle on some champions... and now things are about to get worse. Especially if you are AP, Doran's Ring doesn't help with last hits unlike Doran's Shield and Blade.

44 Comments

Whisper87Feb 22, 20189 votes

Maybe they can put the same bonus damage passive on D ring as they have on D shield.

5000000000000000Feb 22, 20184 votes

Something like doing 5 (+10% AP) magic damage on hit to minions would go a long way

Chembaron YamadaFeb 22, 20186 votes

Why an AP scaling, tho? That's really not needed.

NineTailedMysticFeb 22, 20184 votes

Because people miss Arcane Blade/Spellsword/whatever the old mastery was called that gave a scaling AP ratio to autos for some reason.

Darkin HybridFeb 22, 20186 votes

try last hitting with Karthus basic attacks. It's the worst, it's so freakish slow.

ƒrostγFeb 22, 20188 votes

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try last hitting with basic attacks. It's the worst, it's so freakish slow.

Anivia

Darkin HybridFeb 22, 20185 votes

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I actually played quite a fair amount of games with Anivia and I still think Karthus is worse..

cuddlykitten4Feb 22, 20188 votes

You get your cs from your landmines with Karthus. That's why they are cheap with a low CD.

Dreamer529Feb 22, 20181 votes

Also why you get mana restore on E.

Darkin HybridFeb 22, 20182 votes

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I actually played quite a fair amount of games with Anivia and I still think Karthus is worse..

YumaS2AstralFeb 22, 201814 votes

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try last hitting with basic attacks. It's the worst, it's so freakish slow.

I find it easy to last hit with his basic attacks. The only problem is that they cost mana

Handy Sandy Feb 22, 20181 votes

I actually prefer using his auto to kill minions rather than Q it feels really smooth

BârdFeb 22, 20181 votes

It's a whole lot better than it used to be.

At least it's smooth now.

HahahahyenaFeb 23, 20181 votes

i, for one, prefer slow auto attack animations like Karthus 's for last hitting.

but i can see how someone can be frustrated with last hitting with slow animations, just like me getting frustrated with fast attack animations for last hitting.

BârdFeb 22, 20184 votes

Honestly, just get good.

NeidoxFeb 22, 20182 votes

Honestly, stop being rude. Must be miserable being around you.

BârdFeb 22, 20181 votes

Rude? I don't care, it's the truth.

Last hitting is the most basic of basic skills in this game. If you can't do it, it's nobody's fault but your own and Riot certainly shouldn't make it even easier just for you.

IP MasquerenaFeb 22, 20184 votes

LOL!!!!

Wait, actually this is LoL, not Dota 2, my bad.

Dota 2's Shadow Fiend has a base damage of 38, shit last hit animation and people use him to practice last hitting, for obvious reasons. And you complain that "oh, my 80 lh dmg is now 75, I can't last hit anymore".

To be serious, it takes a small timing adjustment, so only people who have problems last hitting after this chance, were having problems already.

SEKAIFeb 22, 20183 votes

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LOL!!!!

Wait, actually this is LoL, not Dota 2, my bad.

Dota 2's Shadow Fiend has a base damage of 38, shit last hit animation and people use him to practice last hitting, for obvious reasons. And you complain that "oh, my 80 lh dmg is now 75, I can't last hit anymore".

To be serious, it takes a small timing adjustment, so only people who have problems last hitting after this chance, were having problems already.

The lowest starting base damage in LoL is 40, belonging to Orianna.

There are also no champ in the entire game who start the game with 75 or 80 base AD, the highest is 70, belonging to 4 champs out of the entire roster.

.....

But whatever the case, you can take your Dota2 high horse and put it somewhere, where I can't see them. Thanks.

Risk of FateFeb 22, 20183 votes

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JaspersFeb 22, 20186 votes

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Got a use for Practice mode now.

I'm thinking I might as well just buy Bramble Vest as Nami and let them hit me as that would be better waveclear than what Nami actually has. :P

(Pun intented).

DisembarkFeb 22, 20183 votes

Last hitting became stupid easy though.

Seriously. You can legit take most champs and afk auto attack minions and get like 70%+ of the last hits from sheer luck because the room for last htitting is so large.

AlienPrimateFeb 22, 20184 votes

I think where most people struggle with last hitting is when they are under tower and it takes 2 auto's after the tower hits the minions instead of 1.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 22, 20183 votes

Usually im not one of the them but: git gud?

SuperspickFeb 22, 20181 votes

It is, but i do still hate the way minions seem to sometimes randomly swap aggro amongst each other.

That is the one thing that starts the CS tilt. As soon as i miss one CS bc the cannon randomly swapped to the caster, i miss that whole wave off being salty and muttering under my breath.

ADC5LUTFeb 22, 20181 votes

[sg-kiko]

Z3SleeperFeb 22, 20182 votes

Good, screw dorans shield adcs.

But RIP Aurelion Sol, last hitting was hard enough for him.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 22, 20181 votes

I mean, you can last hit with passive. As far as I know, the stars execute low health minions, don't they?

Z3SleeperFeb 22, 20183 votes

"Execute low health minions" is what it says. What it really does is execute minions with so little health that if you were supporting a Sol ADC you'd prolly take the cs by assuming he was gonna miss it.

I mean, the execute threshold is 25 health... like, it might as well not exist.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 22, 20181 votes

Wow.... I don't play him so I didn't know and looked it up in the wiki since I thought "there is no way that is correct that it just executes them under 25 health".

Why is that even there? I don't think that effect actually triggers after level 1, since your stars are probably dealing more than 25 damage to the minions anyway.

Z3SleeperFeb 22, 20181 votes

Exactly. I really don't get it either.

Might as well make all champion's basic attacks arbitrarily execute minions below 25 health. Would be just as useful an effect as his passive's execute.

nyakasgoodsFeb 23, 20181 votes

I didn't get how it worked at first either; it executes minions who have 25 hp after they get booped, not before.

DarkfireAMFeb 22, 20181 votes

Sol has one of the best autoattacks in the game, what do you mean?

Spank the FoxFeb 22, 20181 votes

It’s no Azir or Vel’koz, but yeah, definitely decent.

SEKAIFeb 22, 20182 votes

I was wondering why Ryze's early game last hitting went from the already complete shit to the now diarrhea today.

Now I know.

Thankfully Ryze won't need his AA after a couple levels in, but his AA is still among the worst; easily within bottom 3.

PopcornBunniFeb 22, 20181 votes

With the gold value of the passive stats from the rune trees being so much more from the offensive trees than from Resolve, this only incentivizes against taking that paltry health boost instead of the 10+ AD all the more.

Guess I'll have to be taking item 1083 / item 1055 / item 1036 on tanks now instead of item 1054 , which kind of blows for the early game.

Nik NikersonFeb 22, 20183 votes

But Doran's shield helps you last hit...

DeathBurstFeb 22, 20181 votes

Yeah, I was a bit worried when I saw that. I guess it will just take some getting used to, but I'd like to see some before/after numbers of how many CS I get. Any way to get that comparison easily?

jadelinkFeb 22, 20181 votes

I'm sure we'll adjust (though I spent a whole lanephase messing up my lux AA's as I didnt think about the change, costs me probably 7-10 cs, but lux is an extreme case for mid.

KaiokoFeb 22, 20181 votes

I find her AAs to be extremely responsive never had an issue last hitting with her before or after the changes.

LegitBacon66Feb 22, 20181 votes

Last hitting is a skill that is acquired over time. This is a minor change that anybody can adjust too.

ÐerangeÐFeb 22, 20181 votes

Glad they fixed it where it's not so easy to CS again. CS needs to be a skill in the game that players need to learn! IT's not good for the game when players who don't care to learn how to CS don't have to care.

Wild GeeseFeb 22, 20181 votes

I think for a lot of mages, especially if Riot is serious about making Mages viable in the bot lane, they should add damage to all the mages who aren't supports.