even though he's almost exclusively played by people with 100s of games on him and has been shitty for at least a year
no hotfix for champs who sit on similar winrates and can be mastered in 3 games 
:thinking: so hard right now riot
xelaker8 votesYou guys need to put warnings on these things! Almost died of a salt overdose.
Big Lincoln4 votesnot an argument
Rexxiee5 votesMeanwhile 
has had beyond absurd stats for months, meanwhile 
and 
are still god tier mid laners been like what? A whole season? with 0 nerfs planned.
No, riot balance team is not biased towards supports and mages, nope not at all, lets hotfix singed with 3 different nerfs.
Big Lincoln3 votesthis bruiser discrimination is disgusting
not at all like this is just the efforts of people who are finally unshackled with a half-decent champion and other people just haven't caught up. i'm sure we'll see big nerfs for garen and cho soon too
Salron5 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KKRqAqwB,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-07-13T04:47:51.708+0000)
even though he's almost exclusively played by people with 100s of games on him
Nice http://puu.sh/wIiEG/e7414fd0c2.jpg one http://puu.sh/wIiFl/39ebe2f52c.jpg http://lolalytics.com/champion/Singed/
Can you people at least wait to see what the hotfix contains before losing your minds over it? Chances are he'll still be better than before he got any changes at all
Big Lincoln2 voteshe's getting 3 nerfs simultaneously to his health and W and R cooldowns
click the twitter link i posted that got downvoted
Ahristocats1 voteshe has A FREAKING 55% WIN RATE
do you enjoy playing against a 55% win rate champ?
Big Lincoln2 votesafter being unseen for 2+ years and then getting big buffs, nobody knows how to play against him
it's easier for the singed mains to adjust than it is for the people vsing him but there are a lot of matchups he still gets totally dumpstered in. once those start being played more and people figure out how to handle him in fights i expect it to drop
Ahristocats2 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KKRqAqwB,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-13T22:36:19.797+0000)
after being unseen for 2+ years and then getting big buffs, nobody knows how to play against him
he wasn't unseen for 2 years, he was like unseen for 6 months and it doesn't matter because singed's kit offers no counterplay except "don't get caught" by him, and "don't chase him" singed's kit is full of no-window of power, his Q is up constantly and his R has 25 sec duration
you talk shit so fcking hard yet you don't know it, you don't even play singed
singed doesn't deserve to have 55% win rate, no one does, there is a reason shaco got nerfed, doesn't matter if only his mains played him
i'm glad meddler doesn't listen to the board anymore, and i fully support his decision
Big Lincoln2 votesit's been one day lol. there are a lot of champs with winrates that go that high in one day. don't see nerf threads for them tho
Ahristocats1 votesNo one went to 55% win rate in one day, 55% is a line where you know that the champ became broken
i used to think the same for when sona got buffed and reached 58% win rate at day 1 which cost hotfixes, but truth is that it didn't matter her win rate wouldn't go down without nerfs
i'm banning singed until then, don't want free loses
King of Demons4 votesOh you're saying that there are suddenly tens of thousands more dedicated Singed players, causing his win and playrate to go up by almost 8 and 5 percent respectively? Cool.
Big Lincoln4 voteslol? playrate doesn't mean more people are playing him, it means he's being played more, as in ex-singed mains are now playing him again because he's actually a champion now
King of Demons1 votesHe wasn't exactly bad before, just not the strongest. And just read it again what you wrote.. I can't even. "more people are playing him but that doesn't mean more people are playing him"
Big Lincoln3 voteshttps://twitter.com/RiotMeddler/status/885321824149528577
singed's blood is on your hands meddler. let bruisers live for one patch before you decide to put them back in the grave
LyingOnLine2 votesWow, it's almost like they gave him a super powerful passive and buffed literally all of his abilities and then his winrate shot into the stratosphere on the first day after that, so they reacted appropriately.
Big Lincoln3 votesim sure 1 day is enough time to decide whether or not someone should have 3 things nerfed at once
LyingOnLine1 votes1 day is more than enough time to determine whether a hotfix is needed. And as soon as it's determined that a hotfix is needed, might as well start trying to figure out what needs hotfixing.
Big Lincoln2 votesalright then I want them to hotfix buff Yorick since his winrate went down even though he was supposed to improve
it's been enough time to decide that, right?
LyingOnLine3 votesHis winrate dropped all of ~1%, which is well within the margin of error for a patch which contained changes to other champions and changes that may not have been intended as overall buffs, before taking into account acclimatization.
Meanwhile in the world where you weren't being a deliberately obtuse little shit, Singed's winrate spiked by ~7%.
Big Lincoln2 votes2%
and considering that riot didn't even get his pre-change ghoul numbers right, big surprise that yorick isn't doing so hot
http://i.imgur.com/GYUELkW.jpg where phreak assumes that the ghoul base damage went up linearly when it didn't
it went up by 3 damage levels 1 to 7, 5 damage 8 to 12, and then 10 for the rest. so Yorick is losing up to 20 damage per ghoul from last patch at levels 7 to 13
LyingOnLine3 votes1.3 does not round out to 2.
And so maybe they'll adjust the scaling next patch. That doesn't excuse it being a red herring.
BlueBilberry1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KKRqAqwB,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-13T06:27:30.712+0000)
2%
and considering that riot didn't even get his pre-change ghoul numbers right, big surprise that yorick isn't doing so hot
http://i.imgur.com/GYUELkW.jpg where phreak assumes that the ghoul base damage went up linearly when it didn't
it went up by 3 damage levels 1 to 7, 5 damage 8 to 12, and then 10 for the rest. so Yorick is losing up to 20 damage per ghoul from last patch at levels 7 to 13
Alas, poor Yorrick. I knew him well Horatio. A fellow of infinite jest.
LyingNoodle1 votesaccording to http://champion.gg/champion/singed/Top? . Singed's winrate improved by 1%.
BlueBilberry2 votesaccording to http://champion.gg/champion/singed/Top? . Singed's winrate improved by 1%.
Those stats on Champion.gg include the previous 6 days in their calculations (pre-patch). So, give it time.
For a more recent read of the patch, note that on League of Graphs, Lolalytics and lolstarz, he is now sitting at a whopping 53%(!!) winrate - that's a huge jump from the 48% last week. And those sites factor in the previous 24 hours. Given that, it would suggest that a hotfix was needed.
LyingNoodle1 votesyeah, the insane 48% winrate. Compared to e.g. Nunu's 56% winrate, I think its just fair to nerf Singed. /s
ThePikol2 votesWhat do they hotfix nerf? I can't find it
BlueBilberry1 votesActually Singed is deadly in lowbie normals right now. It's literally next to impossible for levelers and newbies to deal with him.
VoraciousX1 votesI played Singed last night and did quite well. I went full AP though and could actually be killed. I didn't feel oppressive at all though. I don't really think nerfs are worth it, unless he's still building full tank and destroying people.
The Chad Chemist1 votesOh no, a champion with a 1.04% play rate and a .02% ban rate, along with a 48% win rate started winning? Couldn't be because no one ever plays him, thus no one learns how to play against him. Especially in low elo. I'm sure its because hes just broken. Not because bronze, silver, and most of gold has ever seen him before his rework.
HenzoAF1 votes Really? Mastered in 3 games? Do you even know how to play Malz?
