Honestly i'd nerf his passive movement speed buff. Its so retarded having him run around the fight with 500-600 movement speed (if he takes fleet footwork its like 700-800, but he abuses hail of blades too well so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.)
Imo: 10% ms (+0.4% per 1% bonus attack speed) >>> 10/12/14/16% ms (ranks up at 6,11, and 16.)
Also i'd nerf his fourth shot damage a little bit. Maybe 15/20/25% missing hp >>> 10/15/20%.
Thoughts?
D357R0Y3R9 votesI hate jhin with a passion but i'm fine with his insane movement speed
what i'm not fine with is his 4th shot giving him movement speed allowing him to cover the weakness of reloading
remove the bonus ms from 4th shot
JackMcSnipeyz12 votesThe bonus movement speed is not tied to his 4th shot but the fact he crits.
D357R0Y3R2 votesI know? and they should just make him unable to get movement speed while firing a 4th shot, crit or not
if there is a coding problem, remove his 4th shot giving 100% crit, and make his 4th shot unable to crit but doing bonus damage
TheSymbolÔfPeace5 votesSo remove what makes Jhin special? Jhin I said based on the number 4, that's exactly like saying only give Jhin 3 bullets on his ult or only let his grenade bounce 3 times.
D357R0Y3R2 votesjhin is based on number 4 and kills you in 4 hits
but right now he kills you in 2 hits
so what now?
also, just because he's based on the number 4 doesn't mean you have to give him movement speed on 4th shot
Skorch13 votesI hate jhin with a passion but i'm fine with his insane movement speed
what i'm not fine with is his 4th shot giving him movement speed allowing him to cover the weakness of reloading
remove the bonus ms from 4th shot
I personally dont feel like that "Covers" his weakness, since he still isnt able to autoattack while reloading, thats the downside. Especially since late game he'll be critting on most autos anyway.
LordGeovanni1 votesAnd thus he covers that downtime by running out of the way of any retaliation and using spells from a longer range.
Skorch1 votesAnd thus he covers that downtime by running out of the way of any retaliation and using spells from a longer range.
So either get on him and kill him, what was his weakness since he was released. Or make use of the fact that you arent getting hit by autos for 2ish seconds.
LordGeovanni1 voteswhen he is running away at a speed you can only dream of on most champions unless you took ghost which takes time to ramp up at which time he is already autoing you again because his 'fixed attack speed' scales and his reload gets shorter over the course of the game so his 'weakness' is equal to any other adc with a constant attack speed buff or any other adc with 
and a 
attack speed wise.
same with graves where how reloading is supposed to be his weakness but he is tankier with base stats than most fighters and tank gains more armor than anyone else except maybe a full armor rammus/malphite with a full armor taric w on him. he is over compensated for his autos and does 125% (i think 133 in actuallity but i dont want to go check the number) while getting actually faster attack speed than other people normally get while eliminateing his reload with attack speed items and buffs.
Skorch1 voteswhen he is running away at a speed you can only dream of on most champions unless you took ghost which takes time to ramp up at which time he is already autoing you again because his 'fixed attack speed' scales and his reload gets shorter over the course of the game so his 'weakness' is equal to any other adc with a constant attack speed buff or any other adc with
Heres the thing, im never said that the movespeed isnt high right now. Just that I dont think it fully covers his weakness of reloading.
LordGeovanni1 votesYou are argueing that he has a window in which he cant do damage which isnt entierely true since he can use his spells and his gun still reloads but it is a slight drop off but you have to also acknodlege that he is given extra damage in his autos because he has that down time after. I also think that his crit movement speed more than covers any aggression that would try to punish him during his reload (that gets shorter as he levels btw) barring a 
with perfect line of e targets that jhin runs along and 
chasing him down with e 
and 
all active at the same time.
Skorch1 votesYou are argueing that he has a window in which he cant do damage which isnt entierely true since he can use his spells and his gun still reloads but it is a slight drop off but you have to also acknodlege that he is given extra damage in his autos because he has that down time after. I also think that his crit movement speed more than covers any aggression that would try to punish him during his reload (that gets shorter as he levels btw) barring a
How many times do I gotta restate 'RIGHT NOW' his movespeed because of hail of blades stormrazor is overloaded. It wasnt in the past. But i agree RIGHT NOW his movespeed is out of hand, for RIGHT NOW.
LordGeovanni1 votesIm not even playing right now and i havent faced too much jhins since hail of blades has been introduced not to mention both at the same time. I have noticed all of these things about jhin since his realease and some things got buffed several times
ZJD1239 votesIts insane that jhin is allowed to stay in his current state for the last month or two untouched. Havent seen bias like this since season 7 "ardent censor is fine"-meddler
ValiantKiller1 votesIts insane that jhin is allowed to stay in his current state for the last month or two untouched. Havent seen bias like this since season 7 "ardent censor is fine"-meddler
Look at 
and 
any favorite champion by riot will stay like that.
while champions like 
left in forgotten status
LordGeovanni1 votesMonth or 2 Jhin has been like this for a year and a half just that other champions have been in varying states of more or less useful than him.
rayzo7 votes
Never fear
The Fast is here
Gear5Luffy5 votesthe extra mov speed is due to stormrazor and runes
koshkyra2 votesthe extra mov speed is due to stormrazor and runes
Exactly. Stormrazor gives a guaranteed crit which would be less impactful if the ms buff was substansially lower.
Gear5Luffy1 voteshis fourth shot missing hp dmg or Q base dmg at first cast could use tunning but not the mov speed passive that would just make it useless to have it in the first place
Akiliieeii4 votesWell Jhin is an adc so I think he's okay and doesn't deserve nerfs.
Daddy Ants2 votesWell Jhin is an adc so I think he's okay and doesn't deserve nerfs.
Jhin, Draven and MF are ADC's and all 3 of them need nerfs.
Akiliieeii1 votesJhin 51.46% winrate Draven 51.25% winrate Miss Fortune 52.20% winrate Just sayin'
Daddy Ants1 votesJhin 51.46% winrate Draven 51.25% winrate Miss Fortune 52.20% winrate Just sayin'
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Warlord Rhinark4 votesI'd just remove Stormrazor from the game.
It was added as compensation for Crit items being more expensive but ended up being a top tier item on Assassins.
Now that crit items got (most) of their cost reverted, it shouldn't be here anymore.
It does nothing to promote what ADCs are supposed to give, reliable DPS.
Instead it promotes burst damage, something that was the original problem of ADCs to begin with, especially during the Ardent Censor meta where the sheer damage ended up being BPS (Burst Per Second).
Removing Stormrazor should be a decent enough nerf to Jhin.
If it doesn't end up helping, I'd reduce the bonus movement speed ratio to 10% (+ 0.25% per 1% bonus attack speed) from 10% (+ 0.4% per 1% bonus attack speed).
On a side note, I wouldn't touch his missing health damage on his fourth shot.
I think these nerfs are enough.
Hayaishi4 votesJhin has counterplay so i'm not too bothered by him.
Summonah123693 votesIf I had to choose, I'd want the stupid hitbox on his crowd control nerfed.
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesThe real issue is: When is Jhin a problem? In the laning? In teamfights? Early, mid, late? Unless you address that, it's not that wise to just go by "It's so retarded".
koshkyra2 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KEIxMPEa,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-11T02:23:42.330+0000)
The real issue is: When is Jhin a problem? In the laning? In teamfights? Early, mid, late? Unless you address that, it's not that wise to just go by "It's so retarded".
yes
Salson3 votesJhin is one of the best designed Marksmen in the game, and having him as the classes mvp is fine. Nerf him, and we get brainless shit like Twitch in the meta, and Id rather not have that.
Also, why the hell woud they nerf Jhin, but keep Draven is his current state?
Daddy Ants2 votesJhin is one of the best designed Marksmen in the game, and having him as the classe
s mvp is fine. Nerf him, and we get brainless shit like Twitch in the meta, and Id rather not have that.Also, why the hell woud they nerf Jhin, but keep Draven is his current state?
I'd rather have Twitch meta than this cancer called Jhin.
Best nerf I can think of is no movement speed bonus from 4th shot.
If he has to reload then he should be vulnerable while he does it.
Not run away at mach 3 speeds
Horse Grenades2 votesIt’s nkt Jhin it’s the item synergy
MYXYN1 votesshhhhhh dont tell anybody
LeonidPower1 votesyou guys cry for no reason oh he is running 2 fast omg nerf nerf nerf so broken!!! shut up and get good cuz riot actually listens to idiots like you
Luthalor1 votesHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA maaaan u r funny guys :D there is an utility adc (utility! no quinn no draven no twitch! talking about utility!) with a winrate above 50 percent. and u wanna nerf him. in the worst time which adc players had since years...just right before tank buffs are incoming. oh u guys make me cry laughing :D jhin still loses every 1 vs 1 fight... i mean srsly :D u wanna hav a team game? well jhin is a teamplayer.
ThatAaron1 votes** PLS RITO NERF THIS JHIN **