@Meddler If you're gonna nerf Eve, fix this pink ward interaction with her

Support Evelynn·Oct 6, 2015·66 votes·3,331 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnggOdocd8

Since this is clearly unintended and unhealthy gameplay.

And for those too lazy to watch the video, the interaction is basically that pink wards will still grant true sight of Eve over walls, as long as she's illuminated by a sight ward. Like say for example there's a pink ward on top of red buff and a sight ward in the brush behind redbuff, Eve would be seen at the sight ward.

This is the ONLY stealth in the game that works this way.

28 Comments

SaiannaOct 6, 201524 votes

Next patch:

"Because pink wards bug with Evelynn we have decided to nerf Evelynn. That will keep her in good place out of any games, so we won't have to adress this bug anymore"

ScrimshäwOct 7, 20153 votes

spaghetti code, my favorite flavor

Support EvelynnOct 6, 20152 votes

u p

TotalJerkOct 7, 20152 votes

I'm pretty sure it's a deliberate decision to keep this bug in the game. What needs to be done is we need more ways of effectively countering stealth. This is like the main reason champions like Shaco, Evelynn, and Teemo(shrooms man) are kept in their shitty states. The Mandrake ward would be nice, but I'm starting to think that thing is never coming out, and only hits the PBE to give Eve/Shaco players false hope for the ensuing compensation buffs when it's released.

We have exactly 2 items in the game to counter

Support EvelynnOct 7, 20156 votes

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I'm pretty sure it's a deliberate decision to keep this bug in the game. What needs to be done is we need more ways of effectively countering stealth. This is like the main reason champions like Shaco, Evelynn, and Teemo(shrooms man) are kept in their shitty states. The Mandrake ward would be nice, but I'm starting to think that thing is never coming out, and only hits the PBE to give Eve/Shaco players false hope for the ensuing compensation buffs when it's released.

We have exactly 2 items in the game to counter

This trick literally only works for EVE stealth, no others. Either make it work with all other stealth or fix it so it doesn't happen with Eve.

Bears Dont CareOct 7, 20155 votes

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This trick literally only works for EVE stealth, no others. Either make it work with all other stealth or fix it so it doesn't happen with Eve.

The reason it works this way for Evelynn, is because her "stealth" isn't the same as the others. True stealth is only affected by the vision range of the true sight ability. Evelynn stealth is affected by the vision range of any object/champion. If a pink ward is in range of her, then the sight ward will see her because of how it interacts.

TheNeemDreamOct 7, 20151 votes

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I'm pretty sure it's a deliberate decision to keep this bug in the game. What needs to be done is we need more ways of effectively countering stealth. This is like the main reason champions like Shaco, Evelynn, and Teemo(shrooms man) are kept in their shitty states. The Mandrake ward would be nice, but I'm starting to think that thing is never coming out, and only hits the PBE to give Eve/Shaco players false hope for the ensuing compensation buffs when it's released.

We have exactly 2 items in the game to counter

Yup that is why Vayne is kept in a shitty state! Wait....

TotalJerkOct 7, 20153 votes

Vayne doesn't make wards useless.

Only Play DariusOct 7, 20152 votes

Or they could make stealth less of a pain-in-the-ass to deal with. I don't hate Evelynn as a champion but as it stands there is very little way to protect yourself from her ganks, and her damage had to be gutted because of it.

Honestly pink wards just don't cut it. You can only use it on one of the multiple gank routes. Any smart lane opponent will clear it the moment you leave lane forcing you to spend 100g on every single back. Evelynn is coming for a gank and runs over your pink, she will just destroy it and there's nothing you can do to stop her unless you want to volunteer yourself for a 1v2, then she can come back 10seconds later and gank if she wants to and your only options to prevent the possibility of that happening are to either cower under your turret for the next 3 minutes and lose CS or you're forced to back early and buy another pink.

Old Man TeetoOct 7, 20152 votes

I feel they should just make pink wards NOT reveal vision, but give truesight in their area even if it's across terrain.

That way we can stop with the infinitely annoying "crevice" wards that aren't spotted because of dumb grid mapping.

But yes, as it is now, this is pretty stupid for Evelynn.

Sozan5Oct 7, 20152 votes

Unintended?

Sure.

Unhealthy?

Hm... This is a hard question, but I'd say no. Or at least it's not as unhealthy as Evelynn's passive.

Her passive needs to be reworked, as Riot will keep nerfing her until it's completely changed. As League is right now there is no place for permament stealth (well, permament stealth that allows moving at least) with no cost (hell, you gain mana while on stealth). I think that Eveylynn's passive should be her E and be a toggle skill with increasing mana cost for sustaining it (think Swain's ultimate) and a bonus damage to first attack after leaving stealth.

Kas127Oct 7, 20151 votes

I come from DOTA and this is basically how wards work there. I believe it is intended, since it's derived directly from real world tools.

It's like binoculars. It can see whatever is illuminated. If it's dark (fog of war), it can's see. If there is light in area (no fog of war), then you can see it.

BallisticMouseOct 7, 20151 votes

It should alert her but I like this way of spotting her, makes the pink wards not get broken instantly.

RainbowIceeOct 7, 20151 votes

this would negate the entire purpose of her passive.

Champion SkinOct 7, 20151 votes

not really... she can still lane gank and it is almost impossible to have pink ward in a good position to prevent it (without the enemy laner killing it very quickly)

foristOct 7, 20151 votes

This is so helpful for solo que. Ty for posting this.

Demonsolder21Oct 7, 20151 votes

Lol 2 years later riot still hasn't fixed it.

Karn BishopOct 7, 20151 votes

agreed, its an annoying glitch too since those ward placements will be in spots that are just way too risky to clear until you secure the towers.

Champion SkinOct 7, 20151 votes

Well then again Evelynn usually have at least 2 paths she can take to gank (especially since she can pretty much just walk up the lane) so not like it is impossible for her to work around it or anything

Karn BishopOct 8, 20151 votes

She has low base stats for a reason, so that you could reasonably turn around a gank on her with relative ease early game with use of proper positioning.

Also there is no reason for toxic mechanics that only affect one specific champion to exist, riot has squashed these in the past regardless of if said problem benefited or hurt the champion in question so why should eve be any different? now if this glitch affected all invisible champions i'd not have a problem with it but it specifically only hurts eve and also can cause lack of clarity because if some new player sees it works on one invisible champion they'll assume it works on them all then wonder why they keep on dying to shaco or rengar ganks.

Hayaishi2Oct 7, 20151 votes

It's probably there to give Eve more counters, shitty way to do it but i understand.

DocShephardOct 7, 20151 votes

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RozzetaOct 7, 20151 votes

Not sure if it's intended or not, but it's rather obscure for it to be a feature. Since Eve's rework, this is the first time I hear about this, and I don't even remember it being mentioned in the rework champion spotlight.

ayNigerianPrinceOct 7, 20151 votes

Pink wards coded as champions gg

manbearswineOct 7, 20151 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnggOdocd8

Since this is clearly unintended and unhealthy gameplay.

People keep using that word,I don't it means what you think it means.

If anything,extend this interaction towards rengar/shaco/other champions.

Tentakill MyselfOct 7, 20151 votes

Upvoted for OP's name.

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BelligeraOct 8, 20151 votes

What if they made it so Evelynn could only stand on a ward so long before it revealed her. Pinks would still be better over all but it makes it hard for her to lurk any extended time. I'm not very pro at this game or anything so maybe to a higher elo player this would seem hella toxic, but it just sounds like a fun interaction. Kinda another minigame thing.

Phuc Dat BichOct 8, 20151 votes

This is not a bug but riot would just nerf evelynn anyway because they dont even want try to balance her so they just nerf her and nerf her till nobody play...i main evelynn for a long time now but riot is like "screw you all we dont like evelynn so we nerf her now go play reksai or lee and dont bother us with her any more"

Its sad but what ever