Zilean needs a nerf

Galgerahn·3/18/2016, 7:43:29 PM·6 votes·3,229 views

Link to match http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2128747248/32729130 Part of this is legit just rage. xD bare with me

Zilean needs a nerf. I timed the cooldowns of this 65 minute game Every 1 second speed up to 749 movespeed or 95% slow, every 15 seconds, free Guardian angel, every 1 second massive aoe stun that also dealt as much damage as a nid spear, in an aoe that covers an entire lane's width

None of that is fair, or balanced. You can't catch him, you can't stick to him, you can't CC him, and you can't beat him. I've watched, and watched, and watched. He took an inhibitor by > stun, speed me down, auto, speed him up, stun, auto, speed me down, stun, - wash, rinse, repeat.

I am very frustrated by the inability to counterplay, as a full build renekton with Boots of swiftness/merctreads/ninjatabi (tried all 3) with alacrity, Black Cleaver Steraks Gage Thornmail Rnaduines Omen Sunfire


He literally played ring-around-the-rosie with me until he took our inhibitors, and when it came to a teamfight, he had so much disengage that you couldn't bother to engage. We had the better team comp, we won almost every fight straight up. Except each of his team mates gets an extra life. Rarely did we actually get an ace because 749 movementspeed + aoe stun = unbeatable

erhgfdsajkgdsal This is just me raging, but really. I doooooo feel that it's a TAD out of control

33 Comments

Vexful3/18/2016, 7:49:37 PM5 votes

You built no MR and you're crying a mage was walking all over you? [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Slythion3/18/2016, 7:55:00 PM2 votes

You didn't even have magic resist...

Besides that very huge flaw, you are also forgetting about the inherit flaw in Zileans kit He can only do one of those things at a time He can't stun, speed up, and slow you down at the same time, his entire kit revolves around the use of his w which gives his other spells cd. Unlike nearly any other champion, Zilean is limited to only using 1 spell to it's full potential in an trade, he can either use...

  1. two bombs and hope for a stun
  2. one bomb + speedup/slowdown

Other weaknesses in his kit:

  • High mana costs early game, making it difficult to snowball
  • No disengage if someone has a fairly easy way to dive (nocturn, vi, rengar, shaco, good dianas, etc)

IMO he is pretty balanced, maybe even a little under balanced just because everyone has some sort of engage in this game now

Nahui3/18/2016, 7:45:50 PM2 votes

Oh, I see. So you massed armor items and got shit on by an AP champion. You're right. However this applies to all magic damage so I say we both collaborate on a thread for the mass nerfing of all AP champs. You're lucky it was only Zilean. Imagine if that OP as fuck Veigar hit you with a couple spells? Instadead.

Or try out some MR.

BeatzBoyFTW3/19/2016, 3:41:22 AM2 votes

Finding a player who can play Zilean is very rare, considering the fact that he has 1% & 2% playrate on the Support & Mid role.

So imo, no, Zilean does not need any nerfs now. You only got rekt by Zilean once & you made a thread where you think he's better than KogMaw item 3124

Baby Ghoul3/18/2016, 8:28:46 PM2 votes

Has anyone else noticed his steady climb in win rate?

I thought it was odd when I was looking the other day. He's top 5 in support and mid lane. I guess I'm just so used to Zilean only showing up on ARAM where I know he really shines.

I still haven't seen him enough to judge for myself, and indeed his pick rate remains low, but not the lowest. I think I'll look for some vids.

Nekusen3/19/2016, 5:14:43 AM1 votes

also, having the slightest lag as Zilean completely screws you up as you have to TIME everything perfectly.

Malhammers3/18/2016, 7:44:39 PM1 votes

Thats a very skilled Zilean...few and far in between.

5oulDARK6/4/2016, 11:27:32 PM1 votes

Zileans slow actually slows for 350% and it lasts for more then 15 seconds. Posted a full thread about it. Zileans W alone, without any other debuffs, slows from 400 speed to 12

Jav3/18/2016, 7:56:25 PM1 votes

A nerf?? i don't think so

Nekusen3/18/2016, 8:26:23 PM1 votes

you spelled "needs a better passive" wrong

Blade of Justic3/18/2016, 8:29:07 PM1 votes

As a Zilean main, I'm gonna show you two characters that make me curl up in a corner and cry every time I see them on the enemy team:

Sivir and Morgana

Spell shields are my nightmare.

Blazing Tenshi3/19/2016, 3:38:16 AM1 votes

He has horrendous mana costs.