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in a hood near u6 votes

Imo his target access is too good for a juggernaut. His reliability needs tuning. I think if hard cc stopped his passive it'd be a good start.

What do you think would be a good nerf?

JoshTGW2 votes

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Imo his target access is too good for a juggernaut. His reliability needs tuning. I think if hard cc stopped his passive it'd be a good start.

What do you think would be a good nerf?

I'd say his W "indestructible" which gives him quite a large shield a long with the potential for healing himself. Either a nerf to the shield or a mini-rework to the entire ability.

RyzeRework2 votes

I'm all for reverting his w and changing his passive to be a sheild or something like that. I feel like his passive should be an active and his sheild should be a passive

Kroda133 votes

because he is fine the way he is

XxHowtoziggsxX7 votes

Have you, in any scenario, EVER played mordekaiser or against mordekaiser? he is absolutely NOT fine the way he is.

Kroda131 votes

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Have you, in any scenario, EVER played mordekaiser or against mordekaiser? he is absolutely NOT fine the way he is.

yes on both. I build QSS when playing against him and just dodge his attacks most of the time

Monstermushmush2 votes

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yes on both. I build QSS when playing against him and just dodge his attacks most of the time

Building QSS on anything other than assassins or ADCs are very inefficient with gold.

LaterToTheRace1 votes

Not to mention unless you utilize AD, it's a literal item waste for a small amount of mr, so efficiency is the least of your worries.

Inari Fox Orrion1 votes

People are ignoring how problematic buying items to counter champions item 3123VladimirAatroxFiora (to name a few) has been... for both the player countering them and the player being countered.

For the player countering them, not only is it at times impossible to reliably judge if it's a worthwhile investment or not (notwithstanding the fact people don't buy it anyway, most of the time) but it's a sink of an entire item slot and so by virtue of someone just having played something, they have an innate stat advantage over you that you cannot overcome. Theoretically that would mean that the champion which forces such a buy would have lower stats to compensate for that fact, but... nope.

For the player being countered, if their champion was balanced around such an item, they'd only be good against inexperienced teams and completely useless against anyone better which would, of course, lead to a champion being invalidated due to their lack of usability outside of pubstomping. All in all, it's a shitty experience all-around unless the champion is overtuned... which has it's own set of problems. i.e. the champion carrying people to ranks they don't deserve, so when they stop using the overtuned champion they turn into garbage feeders.

JoshTGW1 votes

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Building QSS on anything other than assassins or ADCs are very inefficient with gold.

Only thing QSS is good for is denying him his ultimate, but that in itself doesn't remotely counter the champion unlike Malzahar. If you get a QSS, you deny Malzahar alot of his damage potential with his ultimate, but this isn't even case for Mordekaiser. Mordekaiser's ultimate is just for isolating a target he knows he can 1v1 and come out on top, so QSS doesn't counter any of his damage potential. Best thing to do when trying to counter a Mord is to just build Magic Resistance and if you're a mage, build a stopwatch into an hourglass to stall out his ultimate and force him to waste a couple to a few cooldowns. Overall, my stance on him is that he's not balanced at all and the reason is due to how tanky and low risk he can be for such an easy champion to play.

WoonStruck1 votes

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yes on both. I build QSS when playing against him and just dodge his attacks most of the time

QSS doesnt really help against him at all considering the 1300 cost and useless upgrade.

RyzeRework1 votes

I mean 52 percent winrate is in no way op. Considering Asol winrate is disgusting but noone claims he is op. Morde has a pretty easy counter to him building qss just destroys him completely. Top that with mercs and he is donzo. I'm not saying morde is weak I'm just saying there is counterplay for sure problem is everyone just wants to play like a fucking carry in league

Monstermushmush4 votes

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because he is fine the way he is

lol

FSRER1 votes

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lol

NO! Don't say lol! The mods will come and remove your comment!

JoshTGW2 votes

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because he is fine the way he is

Well not really because his kit lets him get away with being a tanky mage. If anything, i'd say either a reduction to the shield on or a mini-rework to his W "Indestructible" is in order. I think it's a fair request for the fact that he's a mage with a lot of health and crowd control.

DontLewdOrianna2 votes

Delusional moron

Kroda131 votes

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Delusional moron

toxic player

DontLewdOrianna1 votes

Would rather be toxic than a delusional moron

FSRER3 votes

It is so easy for Riot to actually nerf them. Remove some Ap scaling on his Q and passive and replace the removed ap ratios with ad (just like old Morde) and give him health costs (again like old Morde) and boom! Fixed. Viable but not overpowered

LaterToTheRace2 votes

Shh riot knows best

Warmas2 votes

Because the reason because he is broken is that he is AP. If you hurt his kit you basically start removing his kit. He doesn't do anything special compared to other juggernauts but he is the only AP one. And we have been begging riot about AP changes for a year now good question why nothing is happening on that front.

Illabethe1 votes

Here's a weakness: Play Soraka Support and Morde becomes Trivial every time he ults her.

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