Why Did Aatrox Turn Into Another Version of Riven?

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Triple cast AoE Q with knock-up, Crowd Control AoE on W, Small Dash on E, Size + Damage buff on R...

With just a few differences they're almost the same exact champion. This is a really disheartening thing for me to see. After not even opening my client for about a week this is the first thing I'm looking at, and it's really stripped me of any desire to even queue up.

I simply cannot believe you would do this Riot.

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FrostlySpark1 votes

I agree. I haven't played this game long enough to experience, but i heard of a point in time where graves and Lucian were basically the same champion, and there'd be times where there was no point in picking on over the other. I'm really afraid that it'll be really similar with these champions, and then more changes would have to be made.

5050BS1 votes

Aatrox is better because he gets CRAZY LifeSteal

DODGEORLOSE1 votes

They already had a few similarities before the rework. Riot just threw creativity out with this one.

five oh tree 1 votes

He didn't? at all? what the hell? that's like saying ekko and fizz are the same champion because they both have untargetability in their kit and a dash lol.

10/10 shitpost.

Teridax681 votes

There are some key differences, but I agree that it's not difficult to see the parallels. Personally, what concerns me more about all this is that, of all the directions to take Aatrox, a three-strike hit doesn't seem quite right, and much of what he has that was from his old kit, i.e. his self-healing, steroids, self-rez, etc., felt like they've been passed through a game of telephone, staying in some vague form without actually corresponding to what players liked about them. The general direction for Aatrox doesn't feel all that unique, and in fact feels less unique than his old self: despite Aatrox's utterly generic kit on Live, he has really amazing and unique lore, and most of the players who expressed their opinion on him wanted to see his kit change to fit that. Essentially, players wanted a sustained fighter who could also give allies some kind of table-turning combat buff, yet what we got was yet another screamy, angry fighter with a theme of being big and strong and powerful, and a pretty rote combination of mobility, tons of CC, and self-sustain.

Slythion1 votes

With just a few differences they're almost the same exact champion.

those "few differences" matter. a lot.

Best Ekko NA1 votes

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those "few differences" matter. a lot.

No they do not, those "differences" are literally just improvements to Riven's kit which make Aatrox a better champion. Riven's been in need of buffs for quite a while, sitting around a 47 - 48% win rate for god knows how long. Instead of just fixing Riven, they take Aatrox, who has also had his fair share of problems, and turn his ass into a stronger identical Riven.

Literally, that's all he is. His passive, Q, W, E, and R, all have the same exact functionality and purpose as Riven's abilities. The only difference are the shapes of the skills, animations, and Aatrox's W is a large ranged pull instead of a melee ranged stun.

KlydeFrog1 votes

Umm no riven can carry like a boss and counters almost every top laner

Azadethe1 votes

It's not.

The casts of Q are meant to hit from a distance whereas Riven's are up close.

If you close range Aatrox's, you lose half the skill's utility and its knockups.

Riven also doesn't have a massive pull.

She also doesn't revive.

Aatrox's is also a true dash whereas Riven's is tough as nails to use to terrain hop. Aka he has three ways to get over a wall. She has one.

Best Ekko NA1 votes

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It's not.

The casts of Q are meant to hit from a distance whereas Riven's are up close.

If you close range Aatrox's, you lose half the skill's utility and its knockups.

Riven also doesn't have a massive pull.

She also doesn't revive.

Aatrox's is also a true dash whereas Riven's is tough as nails to use to terrain hop. Aka he has three ways to get over a wall. She has one.

Aatrox has a revive? Please show me where:

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/champion-reveal-aatrox

His style is the same. He's a close up champion, he needs to be in melee range to use his passive. Perhaps you didn't read the rework, his first two are at a range, 3rd one is melee range knock up. Riven can only knock people up ONE time, where Aatrox can do it potentially, THREE times. His W is basically a completely fool proof Riven W. Riven has to be close to her target to land her stun, which is extremely punishable by ranged champions... Aatrox can just stay back and pull people into him without any risk at all.

Aatrox is literally an improved version of Riven, 100%.

Azadethe1 votes

His revive is in his Ult now instead of his Passive.

Q: The End of the Sword swing knocks up on all three hits now. In other words.... no. You aren't melee range. You're about 350-400 range out if you want to hit the knockups. The Third hit is a Melee range, but the other two are not.

His W is nothing like a Riven W. It can either pull a champion away or toward depending on how you use it, and it doesn't require face tanking. MUCH longer range. It also isn't a stun. It's a displacement.

Sasogwa1 votes

He's more like a mix of Riven and a CC tank. He's much much much more immobile, and seems to be more about getting CDR and spamming his CC spells. Looks like a champion fully made for competitive play.

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He's more like a mix of Riven and a CC tank. He's much much much more immobile, and seems to be more about getting CDR and spamming his CC spells. Looks like a champion fully made for competitive play.

He can still dash two times with his E, and both casts can go through terrain. Riven can only go through terrain a single time, with a hop that's really difficult to land. This new Aatrox isn't really much less mobile. He might not be able to go quite as far in total range, but he can still get pretty far.

KlydeFrog1 votes

The only thing thats evwn the same is his q other then that nothing is the same

TheDevice1 votes

there are plenty of champions like old aatrox Trundle Tryndamere Volibear XinZhao Olaf Nocturne MasterYi Drain fighters who auto attack a lot.

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