Dj Sona confirmed for ultimate

Salt and Veigar·Jan 30, 2015·23 votes·4,998 views

time to learn some sona counters

56 Comments

Rinky DinkyJan 30, 201543 votes

Sona Counters? You mean 90% of the supp roster?

SecretAgentHulkJan 31, 20159 votes

Dammit, I logged in to make this joke.

Regina GeorgeJan 31, 201530 votes

Riot is the biggest Sona counter.

GG BriisenpaiiJan 31, 20155 votes

No, Rito is the biggest Sona counter.

ZakennayoJan 31, 20154 votes

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Sona Counters? You mean 100% of the supp roster?

Fix'd

Sona counters herself.

ZmuecatJan 31, 20154 votes

I think even the river bug could even hold his own for a little while against Sona.

It'll still die, but she's walking away with a limp and no mana.

NagirahJan 30, 201530 votes

Rito logic:

Nerf Sona to the ground
Give her the ultimate skin
????
Profit

UiruJan 30, 201522 votes

Sona's hardest counter is time.

At the rate we're going, she'll soon be nerfed while you are still in a game.

Riot can't figure out how to do a multitude of things that this game needs but they will spend weeks developing a system to allow them to hotnerf champions (and by champions, I mean Sona) in the middle of a match. ~Uiru

BlooreJan 30, 201525 votes

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Sona's hardest counter is time.

Zilean

LusthJan 30, 201513 votes

Time to buff Sona rito.

Rew711Jan 30, 20156 votes

Though I'm happy for Sona, why hasn't Taric or Zilean received any new skins?

SolaxoJan 30, 201510 votes

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Though I'm happy for Sona, why hasn't or received any new skins?

Because Taric is getting a VU. And Zilean.. who cares about him

Remlap1223Jan 31, 20152 votes

Crazy Boris. Like 90% of his League videos have Zilean in it.

643643734775743Jan 30, 201510 votes

Really? There's already Arcade Sona. Will Dj Sona be different enough and will it be worth the money? Riot already needlessly nerfed Sona to the ground. A ultimate Dj skin for Sona only sounds like a bad idea right now.

SecretAgentHulkJan 31, 20155 votes

But then I hear those DJ tracks (different from Arcade sounds btw) and imagine them playing in the background between casts, and, yeah, I will play the crap outta this no matter how hard they nerf Sona.

Also Rito pls can we get metal for Pentakill Sona?

Kowe The EwokJan 31, 20159 votes

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time to learn some sona counters

Riot balance team counters Sona quite hard.

kunkudunkJan 31, 20151 votes

There are buffs to her base stats on the pbe atm so maybe she will be not a sitting duck when the skin comes out.

Kowe The EwokJan 31, 20153 votes

These "buffs" come along with new nerfs...

kunkudunkJan 31, 20153 votes

They are buffing her base ad meaning her autos hurt more, they are reverting the movement speed nerf, and they are taking some health per level to boost her health at level 1. She is very squishy early game so this helps her more than hurts her. The only change that is a rather sizeable nerf is the mana regen nerfs although this is probably to stop her from mindlessly spamming. I assume that if this change hurts her to much they will increase the effects of a spell or two or just change it back but mindless spamming is rather dull in lane. Plus they are buffing her mana regen per level so she will be able to cast more as the game goes on. She already will have greater mana regen by level 8. Over all a buff to her.

DirewolfiezJan 31, 20152 votes

They are buffing her base ad meaning her autos hurt more, they are reverting the movement speed nerf, and they are taking some health per level to boost her health at level 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in return for the level 1 health increase, don't they reduce her overall health per level, making her actually squishier than normal after a few levels? That's just stupid, considering that her strong early game poke was countered by the fact that she was one of the squishiest champs in the game. They're essentially trying to completely change her playstyle, for no stated reason other than "clarity". I really don't think that an early to mid-game champ should have stats that balance out in the late game.

FyzzexJan 31, 20152 votes

Actually because she starts at a higher point but ends at the same numbers at level 18 she gets an increase in health at all levels besides 18 but the difference is smaller later on such that maybe she has 50 more health post buff at level1 but by level 11 she only has 20 more health. This is a "train a is going X mph and accelerating @ Y mph/s, while Train B is going X+20 mph and accelerating @ Y-5 mph/s. At what point (p) does Train A pass Train B?" question, where train a is sona pre buff and the stats for both trains (sona's) meet @ Point P (level 18)

AbyssphereFeb 1, 20151 votes

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Actually because she starts at a higher point but ends at the same numbers at level 18 she gets an increase in health at all levels besides 18 but the difference is smaller later on such that maybe she has 50 more health post buff at level1 but by level 11 she only has 20 more health. This is a "train a is going X mph and accelerating @ Y mph/s, while Train B is going X+20 mph and accelerating @ Y-5 mph/s. At what point (p) does Train A pass Train B?" question, where train a is sona pre buff and the stats for both trains (sona's) meet @ Point P (level 18)

Where do you get the idea that she ends at the same number? She ends about 100 HP short.

FyzzexFeb 1, 20151 votes

Can someone post a link to these changes? I was honestly working off of the assumption that Rito was out-and-out buffing sona, not balancing her for a stronger early but weaker late game. If this was the case, my mistake for working off of conjecture

kunkudunkFeb 1, 20151 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html Here you go, you will have to scroll down a bit. Feel free to math out when her health passes what it would be, saves me time anyway.

DirewolfiezFeb 1, 20152 votes

Base HP increased to 497.6 from 482.36
HP Per Level decreased to 70 from 77

Source: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/01/127-pbe-update.html

Since I'm not a math guy, I won't crunch the numbers, but it seems that she actually took a hit in mid to late-game health in order to get a 15.24 level 1 HP increase. Not exactly worth it.

FyzzexFeb 3, 20151 votes

From reading the current PBE changes it seems riot is shifting sona's focus more towards relying your spells for pseudo-health and regen, disengaging or poking to discourage the enemy team from engaging. More or less forcing Sona to play more passive and smart as a mage who looks for good trades while she outranges/pokes/sustains her lane opponents.

I say this because @ level 4 Sona will effectively be at less total health than pre-tweak, however changes to her mana regen also mean that during the time she has more health post-tweak(levels 1-3) she instead has less mana regen meaning bad trades will hurt more during this time, but after this point she will have more mana regen allowing her to go for more good trades that she previously couldn't take advantage of because she ran the risk of going OOM.

In assessment, this is Riot's way of rewarding better Sona players who know how to trade effectively and punishing those who aren't positioning and trading to Sona's fullest potential

RatbertJan 30, 20158 votes

Right clicking works well

Lunar ChampionJan 30, 20156 votes

Sona YAY

7ha7guy777Jan 31, 20156 votes

i hear the mute button works wonders

DelphiniumJan 30, 20155 votes

I really like how Riot is like "Oh, Firecracker jinx and other skins are coming out in patch 5.2." After I bought my RP they are like "Ultimate skin DJ Sona hype." You are kidding me.

Drunk RummateJan 30, 20154 votes

hard engage is good for botlane counters. dont pick a defensive champion like braum and you'll be okay generally.

A Slime AppearsJan 30, 20152 votes

If Braum lands his Q and they focus her she's dead pre-6, or she's forced to sit at tower. After 6 it's even easier, because when you engage on her after you land a Q you throw up the shield and her ult is irrelevant. And then throw your own ult into the mix and it's even easier.

LigerzzJan 30, 20156 votes

And then throw your ult own ult into the mix...

You mean, REMIX?

SecretAgentHulkJan 31, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frd53vbCHLg

SunGoldJan 30, 20153 votes

< 3 yes my sona

Solidair3Jan 31, 20153 votes

I can only pray this is daft punk sona.

Riot can have my money, regardless.

GhastlyGhoulManJan 31, 20153 votes

Sona's greatest counter: Being assigned to give an oral presentation.

... xD

JØJłJan 30, 20152 votes

even though they keep nerfing her... I still want the skin qq

AthenasVendettaJan 30, 20152 votes

lets look at that... Legendary skins like Veigar got teasers. Okay, nothing to see here.

junglerboy16Jan 30, 20156 votes

They sent out random links to DJ Sona music clips to certain "VIP" players (maybe linked to PBE accounts or something). Check it out on Surrender@20 if you want proof, he has all the videos posted.

DiamonesdJan 30, 20152 votes

nerf sona. Release ultimate skin. maybe riot is not wholly money hungry whore as we thought.

MAZZ1M0Jan 31, 20151 votes

ikr. Am I the only one pissed off they're releasing this? Now? Like wtf. I have nothing nice to say on the topic.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 31, 20152 votes

"Lelel rito nerfds sona den make ult skin lel"

Uh ok let's get one thing straight: This skin must have been in production for MONTHS, if not over a year. The skin design team probably had zero idea if Sona would be buffed or nerfed in this time so the grounds that Riot is just releasing it to up sona's playrate or otherwise is awful and unfounded.

L7xLoTekJan 31, 20152 votes

True. The timing is quite poor, however.

JalkanJan 31, 20152 votes

Maybe it's just a legendary skin? It wasn't confirmed to be ultimate exactly...

SukishooJan 31, 20154 votes

It has a website. That already shows the confirmation of Ultimate. They don't put that much into the legendary skins, those have only had an image or a short comic to tease at them, where as the Ultimate skins have have full websites.

VesarixxJan 31, 20151 votes

There seems to be some debate as to whether it's an ultimate or legendary skin, either way, do want.

JunkοJan 31, 20151 votes

Not really confirmed, Final Boss Veigar got a teaser despite not being an ultimate

Adrian BlackbearJan 31, 20151 votes

Final Boss Veigar got a teaser.

The DJ Sona pages are part of a promo site that Riot uses for bigger releases (Ultimate Skns & Big events). The only times these have been used for skins have been for Pulsefire Ezreal and Spirit Guard Udyr.