Lots of people are starting to put Kled in his own tier above S, now. With enough CDR he can basically have grievous wounds on a greater than 100% uptime. Kled players never asked for that bullshit, and they still don't want it. Knowing Riot's extreme aversion to reverts, most Kled mains were upset about this buff. Now he's gonna get his kit gutted around it.
I dont even play Kled... Yet 100% agree!
it’s funny cuz riot is really stupid and instead of just reverting an unwanted change and putting the champion back into its previous, healthy state, they tweak everything but that change and screw around with every ability possible which ends up ruining the champ.
Kled is one of my more played champs with 100k+ mastery and i can agree it makes literally 0 sense for him to have a heal reduction on his q much less an empowered GW. Same thing they are probably gonna do to my baby Renekton because he got a random ass W buff that is likely going to get his other parts nerfed for little to no reason
Unpopular opinion. I actually think kled having griveous wounds is a good thing. Whener he has to build executioners calling it completely messes up his build path but he has to against many match ups top
Here's my question about Kled. Is there ANY way to tell when he's about to have his re-mount? I could do much better if there were any indication on his in game portrait.
You can get GW 100% uptime through items. It's not as strong at base, but more reliable. So there should be no reason to nerf Kled when he needs items (loads more gold) to get the same uptime. The only reasons they added it to Kled is because his pick/ban isn't super high because he has counter play and room for power in his kit because of that, while people who should be building the GW items won't adjust their builds to included them because "but I won't have as much damage".
The GW he has is BROKEN tho.
It basically means if you rely on SOME (not huge amounts like 
) sustain then you might as well have none.
Greater than 100% uptime. You mean he can reapply it? Can we stop exaggerating with wording? Thanks.
Knowing this is riot they'll nerf his W to "compensate" And that'll make him unplayable
I'm still not sure on this entire balance healing around grevious wounds from mmo combat mortal strike design. Why is it needed when damage scales so high? In world of warcraft where mortal strike was from it was needed because healers were primarily balanced for pve and initially giant pvp battles so they could otherwise heal through 2 dps characters. But here? Why?
At the very least adding more of it arbitrarily on characters is going down a worse situation of it. It doesn't even fit him that much thematically.
if adding GW to a pretty much non-existing champ totally breaks me, that tells me something is fundamentally wrong. Not with kled, but with how healing and counters to healing works. Fix that first maybe (Riot)?
Riot clearly said they are trying to make healing on champs less effective. But I do agree with kled mains not asking for a buff. In my opinion that buff makes kled better. Kled hasn't been one of the best. Now this buff will make him stronger in lane.
Kled needed that buff. He can now lane against riven and darius and other champs which rely on healing from conqueror.
whenver Riot nerfs a popular champ, its always some minor nerf of numbers, 3 ad, 5 ms, etc
whenever they change a champ that doesnt have a ton of players, its some major change with minimal testing, its always some wacky change like "applies 60% GW for 5 seconds" "grounds champs for 2 seconds" "champ cannot flash while charging ability"
That champ is then seen as OP, they get stat nerfed, later on the ability change that was made was reverted, the stat change isnt, and boom, bad champ is still bad
I don’t understand why this change went live in the first place. These “soft counter” changes will only hurt the game going forward. The problem is that healing debuffs have become so easy to get, healing needs to be overpowered to be viable at all. In my ideal world, executioner’s calling and bramblevest would be removed from the game along with ignite losing GW completely. In return, all champions with a heal should receive nerfs to their sustain to make up for healing debuffs being more difficult to obtain. This includes support heals as well.
as a kled main, i agree this change isnt what he needs, he needs a numbers buff not mechanics on his abilities, besides, you rarely lose to healing based matchups as kled
(Kled main) this is exactly what I feared. That they'd put something stupid in his kit so people started playing him and realized how strong he is. And knowing riot they will nerf the rest of his kit and then the GW. Leaving him in a worse spot than before
Lots of people are starting to put Kled in his own tier above S, now. With enough CDR he can basically have grievous wounds on a greater than 100% uptime. Kled players never asked for that bullshit, and they still don't want it. Knowing Riot's extreme aversion to reverts, most Kled mains were upset about this buff. Now he's gonna get his kit gutted around it.
As kled mains complain about the buff no one wanted and secretly proceed to play him nonstop in ranked games because they are like everyone else and reap the benefits of freelo. Do not complain if you are going to abuse the mechanic that you are trying to denounce.
I'm curious, as someone who has only dabbled in Kled, is this really affecting his matchups that much? I can see it working on Vlad in particular, and maybe that time warp tonic rune, but...
Can someone fill me in on how this is good on Kled to make him that different? Doesn't he have to actually snatch you to get the wounds? Don't most people have ways to avoid that and even then mortal reminder does the same thing so why is it gross on him
Bruh If I needed grievous wounds it's literally 800 gold on every single of one my abilities. Builds into a hella good item too.
What I don't understand is why it lasts 5 secs.
3 secs with 50% Grevious Wounds maybe?
If anything, this wouldve went well on fiora when she hits a vital, Camille when she procs her true damage or Irelia when she has max stacks of fervor
