kayn missions are the first that are actually challenging

Critmaster Garen·Jul 29, 2017·3 votes·636 views

because the champion sucks monkey ass.

i cringe whenever someone picks him on my team. worst of all jungle.

doesnt really matter in which position you play him tbh. other than waveclear he doesnt seem to bring anything special to a teamcomp.

and dont say roaming, because i chose talon 10 times before kayn. at least he has the damage to actually capitalize on his roams. its like kayn has an easy time to drop into your lane to do absolutely nothing.

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Edge of DaybreakJul 29, 20173 votes

I want the shadow assassin icon but i feel so bad for my team because im playing shadow assassin Kayn. Rhaast just does so much more with similar damage to squishies but he can rip through tanky targets too and has cc to boot. He needs so much work done you can tell he got no internal testing. What truly stings is having to wait 4 minutes to play the shittier version of a champion. He has one pro and that's w being able to cast while moving because holy shit the lockouts he has are stupid on an assassin.

Edit Holy shit I got it and now never have to play shadow assassin again. The enemy kayn went shadow assassin too so I could actually beat him. God bless riot for making rhaast straight up stronger...

Critmaster GarenJul 29, 20172 votes

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I want the shadow assassin icon but i feel so bad for my team because im playing shadow assassin kayn. like rhaast just does so much more with similar damage to squishies but he can rip through tanky targets too and has cc to boot. He needs so much work done you can tell he got no internal testing.

even rhaast feels like shit. compare him to practically every other fighter who power spikes off 1 item.

Jax Irelia item 3078 for example.

to get his % scalings to a noticable level he needs to stack a massive amount of ad, which makes him too squishy for a fighter. and he needs like 4 items to even be able to fight someone.

its like he has strong scalings, but no base damage even in that form. which means % health scalings are meaningless since its like hes an assassin who is capped off by the fact that he deals % damage if that makes sense. at least his knockup is useful.

though i dont know if i want him to be good tbh. with his aoe, mobility and % health scalings he looks like hed be cancer if he was decent.

he also has to GET to being rhaast first without feeding his way there.

MavenSongJul 29, 20172 votes

I only played Kayn twice but he doesnt feel too weak. Then again I was rhaast both times so I cant speak for shadow assasin.

Definitely BaitJul 29, 20171 votes

The problem is what exactly can they buff on him aside from the ultimate without making him overtuned? A w buff would jack up his nearly balanced jungle win rate and even out his top lane. The E is fine right now any more sustain or duration on it would be stupid. As for his q any more power on it would probably make his jungle clear too good.

Maybe add a few % more somewhere to his passive in both forms and / or slightly increase the speed for transformation?

Perhaps with how his E works it might be better to go summoner 6 over summoner 4 like Hecarim

FireDrizzleJul 29, 20171 votes

His Q does massive bonus dmg to monsters so they could buff it if they change that.

Critmaster GarenJul 29, 20171 votes

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The problem is what exactly can they buff on him aside from the ultimate without making him overtuned?

this is an actual problem, and i have no answer for that.

its like his waveclear and roaming in combination means he has an easy time pushing in minion waves and then going for a roam around the map.

but to not make him complete cancer, they have to make the actual ganks garbage by not having him have any form of real cc or reliable damage until like 25 to 30 minutes.

FireDrizzleJul 29, 20171 votes

I've looked at post game dmg and not seen amazing dmg much from Rhast. I think you can be as tanky and damaging as Rhast but with better cc playing a different champ.

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Critmaster GarenJul 29, 20171 votes

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I've looked at post game dmg and not seen amazing dmg much from Rhast. I think you can be as tanky and damaging as Rhast but with better cc.

but if you stack a lot of defense or go into bruiser builds, your % damage is going to be really low for a long time.

this is exactly what i mean when i say, rhaast needs like 4 items to be on the same pwoer level of other fighters. and hes not gonna get there if he gets beaten by everyone for 70% of the duration of the game.

FireDrizzleJul 29, 20171 votes

I meant you can be better with another champ., I'll edit

Definitely BaitJul 29, 20171 votes

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but if you stack a lot of defense or go into bruiser builds, your % damage is going to be really low for a long time.

this is exactly what i mean when i say, rhaast needs like 4 items to be on the same pwoer level of other fighters. and hes not gonna get there if he gets beaten by everyone for 70% of the duration of the game.

That is the hilarious thing... Right now it seems the highest success rate core build is item 1400 item 3071 then item 3065 or item 3742
or item 3142 item 3147