Zyra's current state and possible buffs

VDc0zCqe0w··2 votes·641 views

Is Riot ever gonna buff Zyra or are they planning to rework her as a midlaner only? (although the recommended items featuring spellthief don't suggest that)

After the infamous 3.13 patch we have been told AP support itemization (AKA spellthief line) was in a bad state, we have been told the botlane metagame didn't suit her, the whole metagame didn't suit her etc...

From 3.13 to now we passed through an insane amount of meta shifts, we have witnessed spellthief buffs, tank meta (the BEST meta for Zyra being a DPS attrition mage), assassin meta, offtank meta, even Ashe is back botlane, and Zyra is still nowhere to be seen for 2 years straight. So all over 2 years she has been played basically only 1 or 2 weeks with a bad winrate in S4 summer split: yes, she needs buffs, and Riot refuses to give them to her for way too much time now pretending she's in a good spot and we are all stupid.

"It is not the right meta" it's usually the argument people use when i bring up this problem and i'll tell you this:

  • S4 preseason: heavy engage botlanes, ancient coin and doran's shield are the best items: clearly Zyra has no place here, i agree

  • S4 spring: same thing

  • S4 summer: spellthief is buffed, Thresh and Morgana are the best supports and Zyra can play quite well vs both of them, she starts to see some sporadic play with a really bad winrate

  • S4 worlds: the championship that featured basically only disengage supports such as Janna/Nami/Thresh/Morgana/Braum, Zyra has got a favorable matchup for every single one of them, spellthief is viable now and Zyra herself has got really huge disengage so you would expect she will see some play: 0 picks/0 bans whole tournament

  • S5 preseason: Janna/Soraka/Nami/Sona/Morgana/Thresh are being played every game: not a single heavy engage-heavy burst support and Zyra can play quite well vs any of them: still 0 picks, still 0 bans

  • S5 early-mid: everything has been played, really everything, even Irelia support: Zyra still features 0 picks, 0 bans

So at last i think we can all agree that it's not a metagame problem, i guess.

Since this is not (only) a whine thread, i would suggest to buff one or two of these things: base MS (why Xerath is allowed to have 340 and Azir 335 while also having an on-demand dash and arguably better or comparable peeling utility?), base Q damage (this is maybe not the problem, but her level 1-2 is atrociously bad and she doesn't start to kick in but at level 3), (WAY) stronger passive (or just a different passive), snare (E) speed, lower delay on ult or stronger CC on ult (i STILL don't get why they had to remove the stun after the knockup cutting the whole ult CC by 1/3), higher base stats (when you have worse base stats than Sona, you know they really suck), remove animation casts on E (maybe they are needed on Q) I don't know if buffing any of those would make her competitively viable, but i'm sure as hell it will make her feel way less clunkly and way smoother and fun to play.

Thank you for reading.

EDIT: sorry i'm dumb lol, she doesn't have a favorable matchup vs Nami for sure, ignore that thing about S4 worlds but other points still stand, also Nami wasn't in every game too

7 Comments

1000angrybees5 votes

I never understood why a champ like xerath could have really decent movespeed while a champ like zyra got stuck in the 'i suck shit' tier with the lowest possible ms. no one deserves 325 ms. no one.

UdoIkOSc4u1 votes

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I never understood why a champ like xerath could have really decent movespeed while a champ like zyra got stuck in the 'i suck shit' tier with the lowest possible ms. no one deserves 325 ms. no one.

except LeeSin

1000angrybees2 votes

326 ms. Compromise.

Narasimha1 votes

Apples and oranges. Xerath is THE siege mage, along with Ziggs. He wants to stay as far away from the conflict as possible. So he's given a lot of range and damage, some cc, and decent ms. On the other hand, Zyra is a utility mage. She's there to throw down cc and make the enemy team's lives painful. So she has a lot of cc and damage, a bit of range, and low ms.

Which, I guess in retrospect doesn't entirely answer the question, but it's still comparing two entirely different things.

UdoIkOSc4u1 votes

the problem is that zyra has already a win rate over the top

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

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the problem is that zyra has already a win rate over the top

i don't get how 51.2% is over the top honestly

feedertrash1 votes

she is fine zzzz Ludens was enough of a buff to mid lane Zyra

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