Why is tenacity such a problem with so much displacement

Shadow Hazard·Nov 2, 2016·1 votes·378 views

I know it is considered a problem because of the effectiveness it has against a lot of CC if you stack it, but at this point there are so many champs that have displacement for their CC and from the view of those who would commonly build tenacity or have it built into their kits, it would seem almost equally unfair. Similar to the debates before of the unfairness of dodge chance but the fairness of crit chance, why are defensive mechanics with similar twin offensive mechanics not treated equally?

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Swiftstrike4Nov 2, 20163 votes

Tenacity feels pretty strong for non displacement mechanics, but A LOT of champions that are pretty good and frequently played have knock-ups and tenacity feels terrible playing into that comp. I find it really frustrating when I play into "team knock-up" and there is nothing I can do and the popularity of champions are largely the ones that DO not succumb to weakness from increased tenacity.

Zac MonkeyKing Orianna Nami Yasuo Alistar Malphite Gragas Jayce Velkoz RekSai are all relatively popular picks and it is highly frustrating playing some of these champions.

Probably Zac is the worst offender since there is little warning and time to respond if he decides to go in. Yasuo is incredibly annoying because of his knock up as well, but it is more problematic when you play into a comp like Alistar Zac MonkeyKing Yasuo and any adc but lets say Jhin .

I am finding it increasingly frequent that I will play into knock up comps that have a lot of wombo allowing for an ADC with range like MissFortune Jhin to just auto safely while the team is being knocked up.

It would be sweet is riot created something to deal with knock-ups or had it fall under tenacity. But I have been told by others that it is largely a coding issue as to why it hasn't been addressed in such a way. Damage is pretty high right now so the duration of knockups is even more noticeable.

I think Morgana is becoming a stronger pick and I am really surprised no pros really played her.

item 3111 are still viable simply because this item item 3116 is being built by almost any mage. But when the item changes I think more people will build other types of boots.

RalanrNov 2, 20161 votes

Dodge and crit are RNG. How do they relate to displacements?

Shadow HazardNov 2, 20162 votes

I was telling a comparison of how dodge and crit are both as u said an rng mechanic but one is a defensive mechanic while one is an offensive mechanic. Similar to tenacity being a defensive mechanic to weaken (invalidate on extreme tenacity stacking) CC while displacement is an offensive mechanic that isn't getting the same kind of treatment that tenacity is getting while invalidating almost all types of defensive mechanics.

RalanrNov 2, 20161 votes

%health true damage.

Look, there are some things in this game that you should be encouraged to try and avoid. If you find a way to weaken displacements, then they lose what actually makes them useful.

Sometimes the counterplay is to not get hit.

Shadow HazardNov 2, 20161 votes

I am not saying that displacement is a problem, I am saying that as long as it is in the game tenacity shouldn't really be considered a problem in my opinion.

RalanrNov 2, 20161 votes

So you believe we should remove tenacity?

Shadow HazardNov 2, 20162 votes

either you are trolling or you simply refused to read

RalanrNov 2, 20161 votes

Or I'm really tired for not sleeping well last night.

Sorry.