Is there any chance of having attention given to normal matchmaking in 2020?

Yenn·1/6/2020, 4:31:18 AM·14 votes·5,859 views

It's so bad that the entire mode isn't even suitable for practice, especially when duo queues are involved.

See this example: https://i.imgur.com/sswpAaU.jpg

I'm on the top team. The Gold and Level 28 are duo, everyone else is solo queued. The bottom team is a 4-man Diamond IV to Diamond II premade with a solo queued Master player to round it off.

It's pretty obvious that the system didn't even attempt to perform matchmaking; it seems like it just grabbed whatever was available and threw it together, and this isn't an isolated incident.

I think this really needs to be given some attention in the coming year. Ranked shouldn't be the only viable game mode for practicing new champions.

41 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon1/6/2020, 4:43:42 AM11 votes

Why should rank matter at all for normal queue?

People in normal queue aren't playing ranked. Their ranks are not accurate in the slightest.

Just from looking at their winrates and things:

The level 30 is a smurf. He has several champions with above a 60% winrate.
The Gold 4 has a 63% winrate in ranked. Another obvious smurf.
The level 29 is duo'd with the G4. He's not special at all, but he's queued with the obvious smurf g4.

Here's the game in question, for anyone who wants to verify this.

Hordes661/6/2020, 4:35:01 AM7 votes

Upvoted because some troll will come here and downvote the thread just for the idea that matchmaking could be (shock) looked at, discussed or improved.

Kai Guy1/6/2020, 5:40:20 AM6 votes

https://imgur.com/a/HdCne7Q

If this Site is remotely accurate then I would not have any issue with MM. 1569 1625? 56 point gap? That's what all OG Elo Probability odds at .58 vs .42

lukaslopez151/6/2020, 1:08:46 PM5 votes

But why don't you go to ranked if you want ranked-like games?

Hi im 121/6/2020, 6:17:20 AM4 votes

this is the same person that posted a week ago that "its impossible to be matched against over 1 rank up or down in normal games" lmao

Feirisu NyanNyan1/6/2020, 5:46:29 AM4 votes

It is because there is no transfer of MMR across queues and there are worse games than this (also in flex). Imo there should be some transfer mechanic like solo->flex->normals. Hope Rito and Rito's salary-free lawyers on boards understand why this is needed.

Arammus1/6/2020, 11:04:42 AM2 votes

all i can say to the title is: HAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAAH!!!! you have better chance becoming the president of the usa.

BladeSteel1/7/2020, 12:47:56 AM2 votes

What is there to look at? Its a normal game, what do you want them to do?

Yenn1/8/2020, 1:11:01 AM1 votes

ITT: People spew bullshit without even understanding how MMR works and then making bogus claims that can be easily verified as false.

> The level 30 player is a smurf, they have much higher MMR than you!!!! This 'smurf' has 52% win rate over 172 games. I have ~57% win rate over 2000+ games. Someone please share the logic they used to come to conclusion that this 52% win rate 'smurf' actually has higher MMR than me because L M A O.

Even better, if you investigate the match history of this level 30 'smurf,' you'll see that it randomly gets put into games where everyone is below level 30. Other times, it gets put into games with Platinum and Diamond players. You can literally look at their history and see alternating games like this. There is clearly something funky going on here that can't be explained away with 'hurr durr it's just normal MMR.'

i.e. the 'smurf' has these two consecutive matches, 30 minutes apart: https://imgur.com/lYxCbn9.jpg[]

One game is Diamond/Platinum players, the other is entirely unranked level 13-30 players. If all of these unranked players actually have the same MMR as the 'smurf' and the 'smurf' has the same MMR as a bunch of Diamond ranked players, why don't we see all these other sub-30 players matched into games full of Diamond players?

Additionally, MMR is not a zero sum game and inflates over time, so win rate alone is an almost completely invalid indicator of MMR. Number of wins over losses is more accurate. In the case of normal MMR, it would have to be very inflated because it's been around since the beginning of time; which makes it even less likely that a level 30 player with 10 wins over losses has as much MMR as I do with hundreds of wins over losses.

I actually just lost brain cells. There is demonstrably something very wrong with the matchmaking system that can't be explained by anyone other than Riot. Making suggestions on how to 'fix' it is impossible when we only know that the output is wrong and have zero details on the process used to reach it.