So far, I have won 6/7 games where I was autofill.

Martensitic·Dec 9, 2016·14 votes·1,363 views

4 as support, 2 as Jungler.

Only game I lost (support) was close, we had a feeding Yasuo midlane (by feeding I mean BADLY feedling), and still almost carried him.

Neither support nor jungler are my main roles, I play top/mid.

I have so little confidence and skill in both roles, that I play straightforward, braindead, one-button champions taht require as little skill as possible to do their job. Every support game I am Leona. Every Jungle game I am Shyvana.

What's your problem with autofill? Seriously, I don't get it.

Edit: I thought that a lot of angry OTPs who can play one lane, and will troll every time they have to play their secondary) will downvote me. Go ahead. All you do by downvoting, is showing the skill difference between real players and yourself: We face an obstacle: We adapt and overcome. You face an obstacle: You cry.

56 Comments

HKT SaberDec 9, 20167 votes

Finally Someone who makes some sense! Definitely upvoting this.

MartensiticDec 9, 20165 votes

Fun story how the salty autofill-whiners downvoted every single post that agreed with me...but don't worry, I got your back ^^

Wolftastic33Dec 9, 20165 votes

People are like: Yeah let's whine, instead of learning safe picks for the roles that I can't play. Like come on, if you get autofilled, just get a pick on which you wont feed. You don't have to carry every game.

Lux HDDec 9, 20166 votes

Some people prioritize carrying over winning.

It infuriates them to think they could go a whole game without their team knowing they are a god.

Fragile egos.

MartensiticDec 9, 20163 votes

Those people usually are far from being gods on what they pick in their main roles either ^^

DrCyanideDec 9, 20164 votes

The worst offenders are those that didn't do well in their own lane and throw out a Surrender Vote as literally everyone else on the team is winning handily. They'll pout about "I'm not having fun" and try to use that as a reason why the entire team should surrender.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

not their fault, riot suddenly changed the system and forces them into the role they normally avoid because they hate it.

DrCyanideDec 9, 20162 votes

There are people that have that issue even on their main champion in their main role. The situations I'm recalling were firmly in the middle of Season 6, not autofilled.

OctaviaDec 9, 20161 votes

No, no one had that issue, because the system didn't work like that, I have no idea why you would say that. You literally just admitted it in the comment.

have that issue even on their main champion in their main role

The issue being

riot suddenly changed the system and forces them into the role they normally avoid

So no, no one had that issue, by definition it's impossible.

RocketRelmDec 9, 20161 votes

That's not the issue the Dr was referring to.

The worst offenders are those that didn't do well in their own lane and throw out a Surrender Vote as literally everyone else on the team is winning handily. They'll pout about "I'm not having fun" and try to use that as a reason why the entire team should surrender.

This was the quote, and the issue mentioned is "crying and wanting to afk because they fed like they were trying to save world hunger".

AMYS GRAVEDec 9, 20165 votes

What's your problem with autofill? Seriously, I don't get it.

In one game i played recently we had three support primary players who got their secondary roles, while a teammate had gotten autofilled onto support. I don't think riot gets the problem either.

Also if there really is a shortage of support players then why when i queue up as support/fill does it take 5 minutes to find a game? I remember the days when that would instapop the queue.

DrCyanideDec 9, 20164 votes

I agree there shouldn't be a case where someone is autofilled to a role that someone else on the team has as their primary. That's something that's screwy with the system that Riot needs to fix.

RocketRelmDec 9, 20161 votes

~~Eh, I'm mostly alright with it. It allows me to 'proxy queue support secondary' in a way such that I get Support more than 0% of the time but less than 90% of the time. 'tis useful.~~

Misread the post, nvm that, thought it meant autofill in general.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

quality system

MartensiticDec 9, 20165 votes

If that actually happened its a bug.

I agree, it shouldn't happen, and I hope you did the right thing and sent a ticket to the /dev team so they can have a look at what the algorithm did wrong in that case.

However, that's not the point of this post.

The point is, how many players cry about autofill, instead of adapting to the situation, and making the best of it. There are always new problems, no matter how many are solved. Crying doesn't solve any of them.

AMYS GRAVEDec 9, 20164 votes

If that actually happened its a bug.

Yup, and i bet it has something to do with so many people speaking out about the system.

The point is, how many players cry about autofill ...

You call it crying, i call it a symptom of a system that isn't working as advertised. Those players might have legitimate complaints, even if they don't express those complaints particularly eloquently.

Kr1sysDec 9, 20163 votes

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Yup, and i bet it has something to do with so many people speaking out about the system.

You call it crying, i call it a symptom of a system that isn't working as advertised. Those players might have legitimate complaints, even if they don't express those complaints particularly eloquently.

This is the part the OP can't comprehend.

OctaviaDec 9, 20163 votes

All you do by downvoting, is showing the skill difference between real players and yourself:

No, we're showing that we don't enjoy and like playing the role, that's why we didn't queue for it and that's why I refuse to play it because I lose every time, doesn't matter how "safe" my pick is, I lose.

MartensiticDec 9, 20165 votes

because I lose every time

So, lets roll this out:

I am not a support player. You are not a support player.

However: When I have to play it, because autofill, I win a majority of the games. When YOU have to play it, you lose. By your own admission, everytime.

And you say this is not about skill difference?

Maybe you are even right. Maybe it isn't because skill difference. Maybe its simply because you shut down your own game morale when you have to play the autofill, you simply give up before the game starts:

"Damn I have to support, I will lose this" <-- With that mindset, you will lose.

"Oh, I have to support. Well, time to pick sun lady and derpstun my way across the map lel :D" <-- My mindset. So far, it has won me ALOT of LP.

So even if you are right, and its not about skill difference...well, then its even sadder, because it means you COULD get those LP, and have fun in the process, and learn something new...but you lock yourself out from that.

Just sad man, just sad.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

And you say this is not about skill difference?

It's skill difference in that role vs your normal skill level in other roles.

"Damn I have to support, I will lose this" <-- With that mindset, you will lose.

No, as much as you want to push this sunshine and rainbows "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IF YOU BELIEVE" that's not how League works. At all. I could try all day to win a game of support in diamond and I would lose every single one no matter how positive I was.

"Oh, I have to support. Well, time to pick sun lady and derpstun my way across the map lel :D" <-- My mindset. So far, it has won me ALOT of LP.

That's because you're at a similar level in your support skill to your skill in other lanes.

Completely idealistic mindset and has no bearing in the real world as much as you'd like to believe it's true.

Just sad man, just sad.

Nope, it's quite sad that you're so delusionally idealistic tbh, that's not how it works in the real world.

DrCyanideDec 9, 20164 votes

If you have two employees with the same skills and give them the same task, but only one of them has the mentality that they can accomplish the task set before them, which do you think is more likely to succeed? In the real world your mentality very much matters, as it effects how hard you're willing to try to make it happen. You can look up study after study about it if you want.

You're a Quinn 1-Trick that's downvoting and crying about autofill, just like the OP called you out to be. By your own admission your lack of success comes from you relying too much on your 1-Trick nature to climb, leaving you lacking in other areas of the game and too inflexible to deal with the demands of Autofill.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

f you have two employees with the same skills and give them the same task, but only one of them has the mentality that they can accomplish the task set before them,

Give two employees with the same skill and give one of them a lead weight, and the one without the weight has the mentality to accomplish the task set before them.

Which one do you think is more likely to succeed?

You ASSUME I don't want to win, no, I am angry because I DO WANT TO WIN. If I didn't want to win and didn't have the mentality to win I would not care, therefore I would not be here.

And I am faced with a task of winning a game at very high ELO compared to my skill in this role that I did not choose.

The other player is playing at low elo in a role that he plays at the same level as his ELO. This is not how the game works for everyone.

You're a Quinn 1-Trick that's downvoting and crying about autofill, just like the OP called you out to be. By your own admission your lack of success comes from you relying too much on your 1-Trick nature to climb, leaving you lacking in other areas of the game and too inflexible to deal with the demands of Autofill.

The bottom line is, I am PERFECTLY ENTITLED to play my single champion like I did throughout all of S6 to the ELO I can reach with them.

Call me an OTP like that's a bad thing all you want, why should I not be allowed to do that and why should me attaining my highest rank possible be a bad thing?

I play what I'm best at. It is quite simple. It worked perfectly for the entire Season 6, now suddenly I am being forced to feed by Riot.#

Autofill is creating toxicity, huge amounts of players hate it, massive threads with 5000 upvotes on Reddit are posted, there is CLEARLY a problem here.

DrCyanideDec 9, 20162 votes

The bottom line is, I am PERFECTLY ENTITLED to play my single champion like I did throughout all of S6 to the ELO I can reach with them.

Call me an OTP like that's a bad thing all you want, why should I not be allowed to do that and why should me attaining my highest rank possible be a bad thing?

It's fine having a champion you do best with and want to play exclusively, but if you choose that route you forfeit the right to complain about the costs of that decision.

You ASSUME I don't want to win, no, I am angry because I DO WANT TO WIN. If I didn't want to win and didn't have the mentality to win I would not care, therefore I would not be here.

I never assumed you didn't want to win. I accused you of not thinking you could win.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

It's fine having a champion you do best with and want to play exclusively, but if you choose that route you forfeit the right to complain about the costs of that decision.

WRONG. Just because I am playing to win if anything more than any other people, only playing a champion I am the absolute best at and never my second best, considering a solution was found that worked perfectly in S6 there is NO REASON I should be punished for it now with this crap, getting support more often than my primary role.

I forfeited nothing.

I never assumed you didn't want to win. I accused you of not thinking you could win

only one of them has the mentality that they can accomplish the task set before them,

No you did not, and even if that was the case that does not matter, if I want to win then I will attempt to win, just because I know I am not good at the role doesn't mean I won't TRY to win, but I'm not delusional enough like yourself to pretend I am god when in reality I feel virtually every time or just fail to make any impact.

Those are the facts, if you don't like them then that's not my problem, keep playing the ruined game and trolling people who are having problems with Riot's changes with ridiculous and unfair statements.

MartensiticDec 9, 20164 votes

That's because you're at a similar level in your support skill to your skill in other lanes.

Erm...no, I'm not.

I am toplane main, and I like playing mid.

I have a core roster of 5 champs that I play well in almost any matchup toplane, and have a huge impact with in my games, and I can play several others picks which I use situationally. Top is by far my most played lane. I spend a huge amount of time researching champs, developments, matchups, watch streams and videos by pros, the whole deal.

I am also an avid midlaner, playing safe, reliable but impactful scaling picks. I also do really well with trickpicking toplaners, mostly tanks, into midlane. My second most played lane.

#I never play support unless I have to.

I have most of the champions, yes, but that's because I simply collected almost all the champions over the years. I have no skins for support champions. I have a single rune-page set up secifically for support, and that one only really works with tanksupps. I can play 1 (ONE) support champion.

And that one champ is Leona A "point and click" champion that a monkey could play. She kinda plays into my wheelhouse, because shes a tank, and I like playing tanky bruisers and tanks.

I know little and less about managing the botlane, or support-roaming, nor do I know the matchups. I do what feels right and go by gut feeling.

But the dfference between you and me, is that I don't give up from the start when I have to play it. I grab the one champ I know what the hell the abilities do, I build the same things I know to work, and I do the same things in every matchup.

And whaddaya know: It works. I may not carry the game, but I sure as hell am not a burden to my team, pull my own weight, and make myself carryable by them.

Nope, it's quite sad that you're so delusionally idealistic tbh, that's not how it works in the real world.

Wrong, that's exactly how it works in the real world. The moment you say "I cannot do it", you already lost. But DrCyanide explained it way better in his post.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

idk what elo you're in but this doesn't work in the real world, beyond idealistic and reaching delusional at this point, I've already explained why and there is nothing more to say, you can't just keep repeating how easy certain champions are, that's not how games are won.

MartensiticDec 9, 20164 votes

Plat 1, and no, you have explained nothing.

You just confirmed all our suspicions about you, and people like you.

And if you actually try to say that Leona is not an easy champion, then I am very sorry sunshine, but that's really REALLY sad.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

You're either not smart enough to understand or intentionally misunderstanding / choosing not to understand.

.You just confirmed all our suspicions about you, and people like you.

I confirmed nothing about any suspicion, all you're confirming is that you'll deliberately bend what you're reading in order to fit your agenda, push forwards delusionally idealistic ideas that have no bearing in the real game and claiming I said things I never said.

And if you actually try to say that Leona is not an easy champion, then I am very sorry sunshine, but that's really REALLY sad.

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MartensiticDec 9, 20164 votes

I even stopped reading your comments you know.

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

wow, mad man, self censorship because you're incapable of arguing a point grounded in reality, what a hero.

Kr1sysDec 9, 20163 votes

Let's get that good ol' anecdotal evidence

MartensiticDec 9, 20164 votes

Still better than whining about it ^^

OctaviaDec 9, 20163 votes

still better than pretending everything is ok in magical fairy delusional bubble world that you live in

MartensiticDec 9, 20164 votes

Sunshine, go back being a Quinn OTP. Maybe one day you will get above 53% winrate with it. I am through with you.

I tried to help, but you don't want help, you just want to complain about the situation. Some people got what it takes, some don't, end of story.

Kr1sysDec 9, 20162 votes

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Sunshine, go back being a Quinn OTP. Maybe one day you will get above 53% winrate with it. I am through with you.

I tried to help, but you don't want help, you just want to complain about the situation. Some people got what it takes, some don't, end of story.

Wait wait, are you knocking someone for playing a champ they like in most roles while having a +50% winrate(To be more precise 53%), while you sit behind an alt account?

Also, calling out someone for being an OTP is a bit silly when you admit yourself you only play a single champion for jungle(which is the 2nd best according to champion.gg) or support. At least he has the decency to play it anywhere and still be successful for a large amount(over 1k) of games. You're talking about 7 games, which isn't even enough to be done with placements lol

MartensiticDec 9, 20163 votes

Wait wait, are you knocking someone for playing a champ they like in most roles while having a +50% winrate(To be more precise 53%), while you sit behind an alt account?

Yeah, when they publicly display themselves as completely resistent to arguments, harassing morons, I do.

You're talking about 7 games, which isn't even enough to be done with placements lol

l2op.gg

Need Gold 4 TentDec 9, 20163 votes

One trick ponies should learn how to lane in unconventional lanes as their champ to really be called a one trick pony. Well, this applies maybe to some versatile champs only. E.g. if you claim to be a Kayle one-trick, learn to top, mid, jungle, adc and support with her, then you can go in any game, instalock her and call "fill". I did that with Jarvan way back in S2 or 3, was fun coz he was broken.

The unconventional lanes would maybe be a handicap for you (or an advantage, if enemies have no idea how to play around it), but you would make up for it with your specialisation in the champ itself. Outplay your counters and silence those who mock, prove that nothing (except a ban) will stop you from playing the champ you love playing!

OctaviaDec 9, 20162 votes

then you can go in any game, instalock her and call "fill"

"Lock"

"Calling lanes"

We're talking about ranked here, "instalocking" is not a thing. And I play Quinn mid, top, jg and adc.

Too bad I'm forced to play support more often than my primary role then.

MartensiticDec 9, 20161 votes

Too bad I'm forced to play support more often than my primary role then.

That is not even possible mathematically, as you are autofill protected FOR MULTIPLE GAMES after getting autofill ONCE, and in Division promos you are autofill protected in EVERY SINGLE GAME.

But I guess reality doesn't matter too much when all you wanna do is complain.

OctaviaDec 9, 20163 votes

20 games, had secondary more than autofill, had autofill more than primary. Something is not working.

all you wanna do is complain.

All I want to do is have the game fixed because I am not finding it fun like S6. I hated S6 at first, but for what it's worth it did fix a big problem.

Now, the big problem returns in full force.

The queue time issue was nothing compared with this one.

, as you are autofill protected FOR MULTIPLE GAMES after getting autofill ONCE, and in Division promos you are autofill protected in EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Good luck ever getting to those while getting primary role twice in 20 games.

Kr1sysDec 9, 20162 votes

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20 games, had secondary more than autofill, had autofill more than primary. Something is not working.

I've had this problem more recently. I'll be in queue for a minute or two and get my second or autofilled. I'm not getting primary nearly as often, and it's not like I'm waiting a long time to get put into a game either. I wish there was more control over it, if the queue estimate is like 5 minutes, I shouldn't be popping 1-2 minutes in for my 2nd choice.

OctaviaDec 9, 20161 votes

Oh and

That is not even possible mathematically

yes it is, you are guaranteed exactly zero games of your primary role if you are autofilled. It's entirely possible.

StephenizgodDec 9, 20163 votes

Yo I am totally fine with auto-fill until it gives me ADC. ADC is like the most important role on the team, putting it into my hands is begging to lose. I will do it if no one will switch, I won't whine, I won't give up, and I will try my best, but put me with my Wood 5 ADC skills against anyone with any sort of skill at ADC and i will probably lose badly.

It feels bad to be the cause of your teams loss, they can blame me all they want idc its their faults for not switching, but the blame i place on myself doesn't feel great. I would practice ADC but it is literally negative fun, I start to feel worse when I play ADC, I just can't do it, I would rather just not play then play ADC. So there is my beef with Auto-fill, also one of my friends got auto-filled to Support when I had Support as my secondary... like wth? I am happy to get my primary but not if it means one of my friends being put into an off role. I want to win in Ranked, that means everyone playing a role they can perform their best in. Auto-fill goes against that.

FYI if you get auto-filled into a role you are not comfortable with SPEAK UP. Let your team know, they might be able to switch with you or offer you advice. If you happen to perform less than perfect, they will understand. However, don't give up and don't be toxic, getting an off role isn't your fault but your negative behavior is your fault and it also effects everyone on your team.

MartensiticDec 9, 20162 votes

I will do it if no one will switch, I won't whine, I won't give up, and I will try my best, but put me with my Wood 5 ADC skills against anyone with any sort of skill at ADC and i will probably lose badly.

#Great! Right mindset dude, completely agree with you!

When you try, you did well, even if you suck at it. As long as you don't run around waiting for the game to end, you at least give your team a fighting chance to carry you through it.

Who knows, maybe in your game you get a toplaner like me, or the godlike LeeSin I had in my last game (seriously, that guy was a BEAST! I pray I never have to play against him, so damn good :D). You survive, or at least try to, don't give up, and make yourself as weightless as possible to carry.

Look, I'm not gonna try to BS you, I won't pretend I LIKE playing autofill.

Of course I want to play toplane/midlane. If I could make it so that I never had to autofill, I would. But its the situation at hand, and faced with the choice to QQ or to fight, I chose fight.

StephenizgodDec 9, 20161 votes

Of course I want to play toplane/midlane. If I could make it so that I never had to autofill, I would. But its the situation at hand, and faced with the choice to QQ or to fight, I chose fight.

but thats the thing is why even pick your roles if you are just going to get a random role. I disagree with people who QQ when they get auto-filled because everyone has to deal with it, either dodge or play to win, don't sit there bitching. However I think people should QQ outside of the game. Auto-fill is a bullshit mechanic, doubly bullshit that it doesn't even work properly... if someone has Support picked they should get put into Support instead of someone being auto-filled into Support. Majority of the time it makes games 10x harder and less fun than normal because someone is in a role they are bad at. I'm sure at Plat+ its not as big of an issue because they are mechanically good and can at least just not feed (generally speaking). But at low elos its terrible, they feed uncontrollably, which is basically automatic loss if the enemy team has half a brain (tbh though lately I have just been farming a ton and doing them comeback wins because the enemy doesn't know how to end). Also in Normals it has increased the Queue times far beyond what they were before because 90% of the time the person will just Dodge.

MartensiticDec 9, 20161 votes

but thats the thing is why even pick your roles if you are just going to get a random role

Because its for the greater good.

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/20/19050/Symbol.png (Sorry, couldn't resist ^^)

Look, queue times are bad. Support is not popular. Everyone wants to top/mid. So, having this mechanism, well...it does help getting the queues down to what I was used to before Season 6. You know, back then, when we all had random pickorder deciding what we could play? No one waited 10 minutes for a game back then (except Challengers ^^)

Sure, if there is an autofilled support AND a guy who main-queued support in a game, that's fk*d up, and shouldn't happen. But that's not how the system is supposed to work anyhow, its a bug, and I think it will get fixed sooner or later.

TL;DR: I am happy to play support/jungle or even ADC every now and then, if it helps to keep the queue timer low.

StephenizgodDec 9, 20161 votes

The idea was we sacrifice queue time for guaranteed roles, I believe as a whole the community agreed it was the best solution. Now we have longer Queue time still AND we get random roles, I would rather wait 5+ minutes and everyone get one of their preferred picks.

MartensiticDec 9, 20161 votes

Now we have longer Queue

No we don't.

AND we get random roles,

The problem is where? We played like this for 5 seasons. And its maybe one out of 6 games where you have to play something else.

StephenizgodDec 9, 20161 votes

It is obviously a personal experience thing we have here because I am experience way longer queue times in normals, due to dodging. In Ranked its most of the time just a waste of a game when someone gets auto-filled because they feed and/or quit trying.

The problem is we have this system to eliminate random roles at the cost of slightly longer queue times, and now we are going right back to random roles with extremely varying queue times.

Awesomedude8888Dec 9, 20161 votes

Honestly, I don't mind autofill, but when I have an autofilled support on my team (as an ADC main) and I'm against a premade botlane I am probably going to get either dicked on or have an outright inting/trolling support. The times where that did not happen do exist, although very rare.