PSA: When you ask "Can I go [position] and you don't get an answer, it means "No."

Martensitic··66 votes·3,041 views

People are not required to answer you. People might be alt-tabbed until its their turn to pick. People might not want to talk. People might not speak your language.

So after you asked one time, stop asking. If you don't, you are just painting a picture of being a pathetic one-trick pony, who can't play any position but the one he wants.

Plus, you are annoying.


Oh, and if you take silence as confirmation, and steal the role, enjoy your ban, because people will report you.

131 Comments

AeroWaffle26 votes

I don't condone stealing roles but, is it really that much of an issue to type, "Yes" or "No"? Or heck, you could probably abbreviate it further to "y" and "n".

Martensitic21 votes

People might be alt-tabbed until its their turn to pick. People might not want to talk. People might not speak your language.

AeroWaffle29 votes

People might be alt-tabbed until its their turn to pick.

I feel like someone being alt-tabbed when you're trying to discuss strategy with them is just as annoying.

People might not want to talk.

Understandable. But not wanting to say, "y" or "n" goes beyond just not wanting to talk. That's not wanting to communicate at all.

People might not speak your language.

Also understandable. But you can't really use this excuse yourself.

Deep Terror Nami17 votes

It's like sex; anything other than "yes" is "no", and you can't force the answer you want or blame them for not saying it.

AeroWaffle8 votes

I said I don't condone stealing roles

Troll for Trump3 votes

It's like sex

No it's not

IcyPepper1 votes

anything other than "yes" is "no", and you can't force the answer you want or blame them for not saying it.

Surprisingly, that does fit the purpose of what OP is saying.

But sex involves that same thing too...

OMG IT'S A VALID COMPARISON

Troll for Trump1 votes

You're comparing a person taking a role to a rapist.

A better comparison would be the sandwich one below.

But circlejerk is circlejerk.

IcyPepper1 votes

The comparison was valid, you're nitpicking the actual objects compared. That is not a circlejerk, it's just a fucking comparison.

I can compare the sun to Evanna Lynch on the grounds that both serve as suitable catalysts for chemical processes that happen in my body, have it be a perfectly valid comparison, and no amount of pointing out how one is a space star and one is a movie star is going to change that.

If you don't see how my second paragraph relates to how these comparisons work, then I really don't know how to help you. It's not my job to teach third-grade (and that's being generous) level vocabulary.

Troll for Trump1 votes

It's not being used forjust comparison, it's being used as a bad analogy. A hyperbole.

It's not just comparing the two.

You're right you can compare anything.

That doesn't make it right.

Neither does adding profanity to every other sentence make you any more... credible.

Martensitic7 votes

I feel like someone being alt-tabbed when you're trying to discuss strategy with them is just as annoying.

No one is obligated to participate in a discussion about strategy, In fact, no one is obligated to give an answer to anything you or someone else writes in chat.

If that annoys you, well, that's your problem.

But not wanting to say, "y" or "n" goes beyond just not wanting to talk. That's not wanting to communicate at all.

So? That's perfectly resonable. No one is required to communicate.

I find it funny that you use this wording however, to make it look like its a punishable offense. Its not, and never was, the "Refusing to communicate" report that existed prior to the last update to the system, was always a placebo.

Also understandable. But you can't really use this excuse yourself.

Implying that I require an excuse at all, which I don't. I simply might decide not to react to chat at all, and I am fully within my rights to do so.

AeroWaffle5 votes

I find it funny that you use this wording however, to make it look like its a punishable offense. Its not, and never was, the "Refusing to communicate" report that existed prior to the last update to the system, was always a placebo.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was bannable. I just think it's discouraging if I attempt to communicate for the sake of helping the team, and a teammember doesn't feel the desire to even respond with a single character to a reasonable question.

Martensitic6 votes

As stated before, you may take his silence as a negative response.

If you ask someone if you can have a bite of his sandwich, and he doesn't answer, you don't just grab it and bite a chunk out of it. The same basic logic applies here.

AeroWaffle8 votes

Dude, I already said that I don't condone stealing someone's role. And this isn't a sandwich. If I feel like asking for a different role because it would be better for the team, I'm going to ask for a different role.

If they refuse, I don't take it.

If they don't answer, I don't take it.

But I would prefer if they let me know rather than just sat there leaving me wondering, "Are they afk? Do I ask again in a bit in case they missed it? Do they speak english? Am I going to need to make sure to keep my strategy to pings alone?"

Martensitic4 votes

If I feel like asking for a different role because it would be better for the team, I'm going to ask for a different role.

So you are basically of the opinion, that you would do better in the role than the other guy.

How do you imagine people are going to react to that, mhmm?

But I would prefer if they let me know rather than just sat there leaving me wondering, "Are they afk? Do I ask again in a bit in case they missed it? Do they speak english? Am I going to need to make sure to keep my strategy to pings alone?"

I can understand that.

But again, no one is obligated to communicate with anyone else. Wheter or not people want to talk or not, is their decision.

kamikazephyr3 votes

Not communicating with your team mates IS a bannable offense as recently shown with the "Singed Support" player.

Martensitic6 votes

That guy did communicate with his team.

What he was banned for, is queue abuse: Queueing as support, and then going basically a weird somewhat jungle-somewhat-support-that-doesn't-support-hybrid.

Reas riots responses to the case.

As to the statement above:

Not communicating with your team mates IS a bannable offense

Informed users know since 2011, that it isn't: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=828321&page=3#post9792390

kamikazephyr2 votes

https://imgur.com/7crNai5

"While picking ... to do" From this I get that you are bannable if you refuse to co-operate with your team but I could be misinterpreting it.

Martensitic3 votes

Disclaimer: I know I sound condescending on this. It is not meant that way. The information I give you, is because I like people knowing whats going on. Take this rebuke of your statement in the spirit of this discussion, and not as an offense.


but I could be misinterpreting it.

You are not misinterpreting it, but you don't have all the information. Which isn't your fault btw. Riot did a pretty slow job at communicating in this case.

Here is the thourough response by Riot Gromp on the matter.

Here is the centerpiece of the response you should look at:

To be clear,** this player does attempt to communicate intent and strategy, but a good chunk of teammates across hundreds of games just don’t want to sign up for the plan.** That lack of agreement on the new plan makes for a pretty chaotic game and leads to a huge share of this player’s reports. If a teammate in champ select says, “pls no, this is game 5 of promos”, maybe stick with something conventional and skip tilting your teammates off the face of the earth. In short, argue for your idea, but stay ready to be flexible.

So the problem is not a lack of communication. The problem is that he wanted to play something completely off meta, in a team of randomly assigned people, who all want to play according to meta. Yes he communicated, but he ignored it when they said "NO."

Hope this clears things up a bit on the Singed matter, and puts this argument to rest.

kamikazephyr2 votes

Ayy that clears it up. I agree with you now

KoKoboto2 votes

{quoted}

If you ask someone if you can have a bite of his sandwich, and he doesn't answer, you don't just grab it and bite a chunk out of it. The same basic logic applies here.

Aww man... really...?

DrCyanide2 votes

I feel like someone being alt-tabbed when you're trying to discuss strategy with them is just as annoying.

Strategy? In Bronze/Silver we call it "group mid", and it's so effective that we never need to talk about it before the game.

Seriously though, I rarely see anyone discussing strategy, other than someone pointing out we've got too many AD champions.

drakuIa4212 votes

ikr, in 99% of champ select in low people are just in their own world, but suddenly in-game when you're not grouping and trying to push side lanes, they start yelling at you.

Ah, communication.

Damagefox7 votes

Even if they are Alt tabbed. You cant say they wont notice. League will glow/flash in the taskbar whenever something is said in the chat.

People dont want to talk?. So you come onto a game that relies heavily on communication with your team...and give your team a big ol middle finger by not wanting to talk to them even before the match starts? So you only want to talk AT your team, not WITH them. Sorry but you dont get to report them out of some sense of superiority. Its a team game for a reason. If you dont actually want to engage with your teammates period. Then you are on the wrong game

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

Generally, I will OP.GG the player when they want to swap roles to check their performance and champions before deciding.

That can delay the response.

Dolasaur1 votes

can put in a quick "give me a sec" :)

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

That just lets people know you are looking them up.

Better to just act like you didn't see it for ~10 seconds.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

whats wrong with them knowing

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Generally nothing, but some people don't really react well.

I find it less annoying if they aren't aware.

Touch My Box25 votes

What is so pathetic about one trick pony?

50000000000000006 votes

It you can only play one role, that's pretty pathetic. That said, not all OTPs are like this anyway...

drakuIa42120 votes

i mean, i can play all roles, but my performance is the best when i'm Mid, so i would prefer that

50000000000000008 votes

Definitely, which is why people ask (and should ask) to swap roles.

DarkfireAM5 votes

Being a OTP doesn't mean you have no idea how to play other roles/champions. It means that you are able to play a specific role or champion at a higher level then other lanes. You don't see Bjergson playing ADC or Jungle do you?

MrryZ3 votes

That's really not what an OTP is, an OTP can ONLY play one role successfully. What you described was a MAIN role.

Glory ln Death12 votes

False. A true OTP can only play one champion.

But, by gosh, they can play that champion in any position into any match-up and still come out on top.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Within reason, of course.

You don't see BoxBox picking Riven ADC. Top / JG / Mid? Hell fckin yeah.

Example, a Gragas OTP would be expected to play him Top / JG / MID / SUP. But definitely not ADC.

Glory ln Death1 votes

Pshhh! I play Sion ADC when I get autofilled there!

DepressedAhri4 votes

Pay attention to this guy ^

Morality Coach2 votes

I'm an OTP with an 80% winrate right now. You just don't have the mental ability to have fun with one character.

DarkfireAM2 votes

LOL

I don't know why I found that funny, but I did.

Supreme Senpai699 votes

"Silence is not consent."

Martensitic5 votes

- Stop-touching-me-Elmo

Surr20plz4 votes

All you have to do is type "Hey mid do you want to switch? If you say nothing that means yes :D"

And then you can take their role if they don't say anything.

Martensitic10 votes

And then "they" can (and will) report you for queue trolling.

Those reports will be completely valid, and you will be punished, because according to Riot, you need EXPLICIT AGREEMENT from a teammember to swap roles, and not talking to you is not agreement, whatever your fantasy might say.

So all in all, I advise everyone reading this to not use your idea.

TheTrueQuarian4 votes

And then i will report you for refusing to communicate. c:

Martensitic10 votes

And then i will report you for refusing to communicate. c:

Lets forget for a moment that this report reason doesn't even exist any more...it never did anything in the first place.

So go ahead, all you do is waste your report, and lowering your hidden report value (aka. the more false reports you make, the more the system starts to ignore your reports).

DarkfireAM1 votes

You can also be reported for refusing to communicate with your teammates. That will be equally as justified.

Martensitic7 votes

*sigh* I am posting this link for the third time in 5 minutes now, I seriously hope that this is the last time.

You can also be reported for refusing to communicate with your teammates.

No, you cannot.

That report reason was removed from the game almost 2 years ago. And even when it was in the game, it didn't do anything.

In the beginning, it was a feedback tool to refine the matchmaking algorithm in multi-language server pools. After that, it was left in as a placebo, to lightning-rod away fake reports from salty people.

No one was ever punished, in any context, for not talking to his team. Read the link. Learn the history.

DarkfireAM2 votes

Several Rioters said, in relation to the Singed Support issue, that one of the reasons he was banned was b/c he didn't communicate his intentions in CHAMPION select. Several Rioters specifically said that refusal to communicate with your team in champion select can lead to a ban if it creates a negative experience for the rest of the team.

So, yes, you can be banned for refusing to communicate in champion select. Communicate to your teammate that he can't have your role.

Please tell what is so mentally taxing about that?

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