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As a former (and in riots eyes) a current "toxic" player...

Arcade Andrew··18 votes·3,267 views

MAJOR UPDATE: http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131867181506 Lyte just back peddled hardcore... At least for once the community got riot to listen!

Im still sort of upset that those players who have had bans are still getting "double jeopardy-ed" in this, but the majority of the players were chat or ranked restricted players (or low prio Q's from hardware issues) and we still get our rewards YAY

UPDATE 08/21/2015: I know my numbers aren't true statistical numbers the numbers I use in reason 2 (75/95%) are my own personal guess on the figures that riot would lose in terms of playerbase NOT ACTUAL CURRENT NUMBERS OR PROVEN NUMBERS They are my own personal guesses and figures please keep that in mind

Removing season rewards for anyone who has ever been punished is absurd.

Ten reasons this is complete BS and with general thoughts on each reason

  1. Its double jeopardy -Anyone who has been punished did their time and some(if not most) improved and are positive now.
  2. From a money making standpoint riot will lose nearly 75% of its playerbase and nearly 95% of its paying playerbase and LC$ can and probably no longer will exsist (this is a long one with no TLDR BE WARNED)

Ok let me break this down,

lyte wants a positive friendly environment and his method is remove season rewards for anyone who has ever been punished. In his head sure it seems like a decent idea but as a company this will only hurt them and heres why:

first off 75% of Leagues player base WILL QUIT Nobody (new or veteran) wants to play a game where they have to worry so much about being punished and if they do they get no rewards even if they reform. And for new players it's even worse where riot is throwing out punishments based on emotional response to true toxic players and trolls

example: a gold smurf plays a level 10 game his teammate a level 2 just downloaded yesterday and is undoubtedly bad at the game the gold smurf is an asshole and continually will tell the level 2 "You fucking noob fucking uninstall cancer POS fucking faggot nigger shit"

The level two doesnt even know about the mute button yet and at first says "Woah man why are you so mean Im new im trying my best :/"

The level 10 smurf replies "FUCK YOU NOOB FUCKING SHIT TIER FAGGOT IM GOLD SMURF FUCKING AFK SO I CAN WIN THIS YOU FEEDING SHIT FUCK NIGGER"

the level 2 at this point is very offended and defends himself with "you know what man FUCK YOU? what the fuck did I do to you you fucking douche bag? Im new at this fucking game give me a fucking break you fucking asshole"

At this point the level two is told by one member of his team that there is a mute button and he can report the smurf so he mutes and reports the dude in the end game screen, however shortly after that game (under the new immediate auto punishment system) he gets a 15 game chat restriction, because 3/4 of his team reported him (and some of the enemy team because the smurf asked for reports)

at this point he feels like "what the fuck did I do? he was coming at me harsh? and im being punished?" Us veteran players have some understanding that riot says its not ok to defend ourselve (which in BS) and we should just mute and report them, however even the best of us let out an emotional response... and riot is punishing that.. that seems wrong to me..

Now onto the second part 75% of the player base WILL quit and 95%of paying players will leave

This one is a bit shorter: when you run a new player experience like that^ 50% of you player base (new players) will end up quitting or not staying long enough in the game (which is about 60% of paying (or would pay) players) next up leaves anyone whos ever been punished and is sick of riots bullshit on punishments: 25% of the remaining 50% of veteran 30+ players will leave. which is about 35% of paying players

the math might be off but it stands true

now how does this all tie into LC$ not being able to be a thing anymore?

Well under riots new stance on toxicity Pro level teams will most likely be held up to a standard of no FOUL LANGUAGE OR TOXIC LANGUAGE EVER lest the players who watch LCS call out hypocracy for riot letting pros be sortof toxic and anyone who was on a team that won LCS who has ever been punished for being toxic will have to refund their rewards (the cash rewards)

and on top of that, whats to stop lyte from saying ANYONE WHOSE EVER BEEN PUNISHED NEVER GETS REWARDS EVER AND ANY REWARDS THEY GET WILL BE REVOKED...

Just saying ....

back to reasons why it absurd

  1. So harsh for automated punishments? -if your going to double jeopardy everyone: then each case should be looked into for context and emotional responses for true toxic behaviour every time Ive been punished for being "toxic" it was an emotional response to a troll (after a 2week ban I had received in which I actually WAS toxic calling people niggers faggots ect." which was after the end of s2)

  2. You dont do enough to show that the bullshit players put up with in ranked when it comes to other players is even being handled -the only punishment focus I see if toxicity I dont see anything on afks and loss prevention when faced with or against one I dont see riot doing anything about punishing players who do badly in a game intentionally (IE karma jungle) I dont see anything on intentional feeders? I dont see anything on spammers or those annoying adds that message you a virus link for free rp I dont see matchmaking reform or team builder for ranked or decent balance (the new skarner has to wait till monday to be nerfed? you cant just disable him?) The list goes on and on about stuff that could be fixed to prevent people from freaking out or give them hope that riot actually does something..

  3. speaking of riot doing something I have not seen lyte active AT ALL on the forums only on his personal ASK.fm Finding out that nearly half the player base wont get season rewards from an ask.fm and not an official riot post on the main page? thats reason enough to scrap the idea if you cant tell us properly

  4. Riot punishes neutral players aswell

  • as a neutral player myself who isnt toxic or positive anymore

I find I get can easily get reported and banned for saying simple things like "please stop feeding sigh" or "why the fuck did you do that..?" and ive been punished for it and had quit the game for 3-4 months in the most recent case (but I only came back so I could get silver and at least keep my silver border if I ever came back post season 5)

  1. besides the double jeopardy issue there are TWO WAYS TO PREVENT TOXIC PLAYERS FROM EVEN BOTHERING ANYONE

the language filter and the mute button

except lyte hates telling players to use those damn things he'd rather find the root cause of toxic play which in his case is three types of people 1-the true toxic assholes (one of which used to be me) who call people niggers wetbacks scumbags cancer faggots ect and are just in general assholes 2-the emotional response players: the players who feel the need to defend themself against the true assholes and get emotionally angry and use a few choice words and feel regret about using those later; they just felt like they were personally targeted and shouldnt have to just sit there and deal with it (these players could be fixed by TELLING THEM ABOUT THE DAMN LANGUAGE FILTER AND MUTE BUTTON) Nothing to emotionally respond to? then they arent and issue 3- the neutral player: (me currently) The player who just plays the game mostly ranked and plays to win, or plays casually isnt very positive but more of a realist (not negative either) he will be the type of person to say "sigh bots feeding gg surrender at 20pls so we can move onto the next game) they will be the type to point out others mistakes (often overlooking their own) in order to try and help them realize what the fuck they are doing so they can win They often win games but when losing get reported for verbal abuse or negative attitude by the salty teammates who he blames (and often are the cause) of a lost game these players generally use the mute button and try to focus on the game

  1. Whats considered toxic is always changing and cultures are different So what lytes doing is punishing anybody who has ever been toxic and been banned or punished

Now the one wrong reason (aside again from double jeopardy) is that the definition of toxic is changing

two examples: one different cultures : I watched a video about where lyte was going on about the root of toxic behavior and brought up a point that the community determines whats toxic, and that in NA "silver trash" wasnt toxic but in korea and china "silver trash" was highly toxic

Meaning if somebody in NA says "silver trash" they arent being toxic, but in china/korea they are, so shouldnt the same rules apply? its toxic to somebody isnt it?

second definition of toxic is changing: This comes from a forum post where somebody once told me that if somebody told him to go pull a robin williams before he died it wouldnt be deemed toxic but now if somebody did it would likely be reported and banned. and I remember here on the boards a popular meme would be the "aww shit nigga" meme with the party hat anime character and his hands in the air, that was never seen as toxic before but nowadays it is

and vice versa: I remember when smack talking (even friendly) the enemy team stuff like "run away now enemy mid laner im coming to kill you ;)" whenever you played jungle was toxic but now its not

this means that anyone punished for something that used to be toxic and isnt now is being punished for something that is no longer toxic...

  1. this wont help anything your punishing players who have already been punished? so it doesnt matter if they reformed? they still get punished and labelled a rule breaker even if they are reformed now?

  2. its just plain absurd

It makes no sense its stupid and lyte is an idiot IMO

EDIT: see this post here :http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/5w7EhMVk-all-my-friends-have-quit

for why this is a bad idea and will make most new players quit the game

31 Comments

dEAdbUs7 votes

double jeopardy, nuff said

Arcade Andrew3 votes

exactly.... it makes no sense to punish somebody who has already been punished

Imphos1 votes

{quoted}

double jeopardy, nuff said

THIS

And btw my story : I was ranked and chat restricted at the start of the season for saying flamers "you are a cancer" (as an answer to their toxicity), Then I decided to take a break for some months, and when I came back I practically muted myself to avoid problems... So a month ago started to play again and being chat restricted allmost didnt write in chat at all, maybe "drake 1 min" or ward tribush pls", sometimes "guys stop flaming eachother and lets try to win"... Explain me how and why, 3 days after my restriction ended I got chat restricted AGAIN, when I didnt even had a discussion of any kind by chat.... System doesn't work as intended, Rioters know it, and still try to make it look like they are doing something, so they want double punishment for everyone now... That's bullyng reformed players, that's TOXIC from RIOT...double jeopardy....NUFF SAID

Project Xero6 votes

i just want to say this, i have played this game from level 1 to 30. i've never been banned, i've never been chat restricted but i can see where some of your problems come from. In a lot of the games i have been playing lately, i have stumbled across one or more toxic players. "please report such and such, they are noobs" or " my team are all idiots who are fucking feeding."i believe that toxic players are the real problem here, not the players who have emotional responses to stuff like that. and i can tell you why people will have emotional responses to it, because anyone who starts being toxic is more then often bullying another player. As we all know, bullying is a serious issue and some players at one point or another have been bullied be it in schools or online. and their first response is to try to defend themselves from it, it's not them adding to the problem it's them having had enough. i fall into this category, i can't stand toxic players or their bad attitudes. They want to bully other players, for not playing to their standards never minding the fact that not everyone plays the same. someone is suffering through high ping? a toxic players response is " get gud noob" how is getting good going to help, when your lagging so bad your freezing in place? and then you try to explain the situation to the player, and he continuously spams Get gud over and over and over. finally you get tired of hearing him and can do one of two things, defend the player in question who is having issues or mute the toxic player and tell the other player to do the same.

if you try and help you run risk of getting reported, so the logical reaction is to mute and tell the other player to mute as well. with that done you can finish the game, and then attempt to report the toxic player. However i find that non toxic players who have the response, are targeted for punishment more then the toxic players themselves. the system is flawed and as such, the real assholes get a slap on the wrist and walk away free while the ones who try to defend themselves get punished.

Arcade Andrew4 votes

yep this is why im classified as toxic now

I used to be the whole "GET GUD FAG STUPID CANCER CUNT" type of player, then I got a two week ban and the support ticket gave me my chat logs in my email and showed me why and how I was being toxic, A REAL PERSON explained to me why I was banned and that it was the final straw for me I got to SEE WHAT I WAS DOING WRONG and from the time my ban was over I NEVER EVER was like that again. Nowadays players are being chat restricted and ranked restricted automatically left and right without no insight of why other than "hey you got reported alot! lets automatically punish you!" And thats a problem when the entire community is so damn report happy oh you said the word fuck? report oh you didnt say gg? report oh you are doing bad? report oh you decided to defend yourself against a bully? report oh you arent playing how I want you to play or doing what I want you to do? report

Now in a way yes players should learn to control their temper a bit more, but punishing players for having an emotional response then punishing them AGAIN by removing season rewards after they already served a punishment?! thats ridiculous

thats lyte saying "meh reform doesnt exist lets just keep punishing them!"

M Dragon144 votes

There are so many issues with this post..... So fucking many.... Where to start...

1.) 75% of the playerbase will quit because of unfair punishments: Well, considering less than 75% of the player base gets any kind of punishment of this level (last I checked, it was less than 6% (source below))..... That leaves at least 94% of the playerbase being unpunished..... Yeah. Your numbers are definitely off. 2.) Now I have leveled a smurf from 1 to about 23.... I have yet to receive any kind of punishment. Now I'm not toxic to players, but I also don't take shit from toxic players. Have not received any form of punishment, and nor have I heard of any other player that has leveled an account to 30 have this issue, and i've had maybe 5-6 friends do this over the past 4-8 months. Not a single punishment. Somehow I seriously doubt that a high number of people receive unfair punishments at any level, new account or old. If you got punished, you deserved it. 3.) Where in the hell are you getting your numbers? Any sources to back your statements?

Source for punishment stats: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/l3wHwtIl-rewards-for-positive-play

Arcade Andrew2 votes

  1. the numbers of 75% of the playerbase are "guesstimates" referring to the 50% of the player base that is above level 30 and the 50% of players that are new/ under level 30 nearly every new player under this system will quit (maybe not right away, but see added thread I linked) and about 25% of players above level thirty Im guessing will quit because of the sheer amount of BS that riot is doing with this (Have you seen the GD post? tons of people are screwed)

  2. "I dont take shit from toxic players" I stopped reading right there, you fall under the "Emotional response" player and sooner or later YOU WILL get punished because riot has clearly taken a stance that under no circumstances are you allowed to "fight back" against toxic jerks and if you do youre toxic because youre only adding to the problem, Riot has said over and over again that the only way to handle them is mute them and report them until lyte comes in and says muting isnt enough and we started punishing people who didnt take shit from jerks aswell and lyte kept pushing the "no mute button" ideology (Lyte has sad several times there shouldnt need to be a mute button in the game)

  3. instead of referring to numbers: ill refer to your opening "There are so many issues with this post..... So fucking many.... Where to start..."

That right there is considered neutral/toxic and could get you punished if it was tailored to something in game say you said "There are so many issues with this team comp...so fucking many.... where to start"

If you think your safe from this system, heres a tip: you arent I can already tell by your post that you will (or already have been) punished then youll be in the same boat as the rest of us Season rewards were never supposed to be an incentive to be nice to people or not get punished, they were there as a reward for players doing good at the game and now lyte has turned them into another tool to try and solve a problem he is only making worse You think anyone is going to reform when they know the minute they get punished riot no longer cares anymore and will just keep berading them down? Why would anyone bother trying now in ranked to maintain or get gold if theyve been punished before? and why would anyone bother being nice to anyone anymore when they no it wont matter because they are already screwed out of rewards

M Dragon141 votes

2.) Emotional response? Fine, sure, I "fight" back at times. But not often enough or severely enough for my account to rack up enough reports, and typically it's one or two things. Not even close for it to affect the game. Otherwise I just mute them. And to say I will get banned eventually is a little hard to say. Sure, biased you would think that to be true, but remember, less than 6% get banned (really 1%<) or punished. I am no where near toxic enough to get punished to be apart of that. I know FAR more toxic players than myself, and have played longer, who have yet to get punished. Think what you want, but I don't feel even slightly threatened by their reform system. If I get punished in the future, its because I deserved it. Just to remind you, chat restrictions and such are automatic, but bans are not.

  1. instead of referring to numbers:

No no no, I'd rather have the numbers. Means a whole lot more than that you said there. What I said wouldn't be harsh enough to be considered toxic, regardless what you think. I can look at reportable offences, and that alone really isn't reportable. Curse words are not reportable enough, nor is it directly insulting anyone.

The reason why I won't be banned for "toxicity" is that I am not consistently getting reported for inappropriate behavior. That is what gets you banned/punished. If you are consistently toxic, you get banned. NOT IF YOU WERE TOXIC ONCE. No, you have to be reported for a crazy amount of games from multiple people. I am, in no way, even close for this to be an issue for me. Sorry, but I'm not :.

By the way, they also said you were only eligible for this season's rewards. Not forever. Unless you think you're going to be banned next season, you should be fine with next season's rewards.

Edit: Now, don't get me wrong, the base point of your post I agree with, it's just the stats and evidence you used to prove your point I do not. If riot was going to do these types of punishments, they should have done it at the beginning of the season, not now.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

I wasnt banned this season only chat and ranked restricted (and I guess im still toxic because im chat restricted again because in three games players reported me for being "toxic" because I didnt do well in the game and they blamed me for the loss)

Im glad that as long as I dont have a chat/ranked restriction by the end of the season Ill get my rewards but Im still dissapointed they wont revoke this policy for people whove been banned

M Dragon141 votes

Im glad that as long as I dont have a chat/ranked restriction by the end of the season Ill get my rewards but I'm still disappointed they wont revoke this policy for people who've been banned

Yeah, idk. Something tells me they will go back on that. This is going to cause too much trouble with players, and riot has gone back on shit like this in the past. And they really should. Way too late to change the rules. As I said above (After I edited it), this is not the best way to deal with toxicity.

LaceUp231 votes

Lyte actually said that less than 1% of the community is "toxic".

Arcade Andrew4 votes

Thats "currently" toxic

if you take anyone who has ever been punished its ALOT higher than that + Im taking into account potential players IE new players who might end up "toxic" or friends of "toxic" players

but quit before they get labeled as that/ friends of "toxic" players who quit because their friend quit ect.

Also all this will do is increase toxicity ..why?

because anyone who has ever been punished wont bother taking ranked seriously anymore and when they start doing bad more people will blow a fuse because they want to win and then they get punished and rinse and repeat

LaceUp233 votes

I completely agree lol. I think he is a jackass lol.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

Who is a jackass?

My numbers arent per say "real numbers" they are figures or projections of the amount of people who would quit if riot keeps doing crap like this

LaceUp231 votes

Lyte. Obviously. But your numbers are also extremely stupid.

Arcade Andrew2 votes

lyte isn't a jackass, he just doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and isnt involved with the community he claims he wants to fix anymore

I remember back in the day when lyte would actually COMMENT on threads like this instead of hiding away behind his personal ASK.fm

LaceUp231 votes

Lol, it seems that just described a jackass xD

Simplicate3 votes

It's a pretty bold statement to say 70% of the playerbase will quit. Personally I might but 70% isn't reasonable.

Arcade Andrew1 votes

75%*

And thats not current playerbase as explained before its a figure

50% of that is the new or could be new players.

New players will most likely end up quitting (see linked thread in the edit at the bottom)

and sure there will be a constant stream of new players whove never played before but with this implemented league will start to fail in attracting new players many will quit and never stay if not most, and the veterans will start to quit the game because of this and/or their friends quitting and the game will ultimately fail and only a few (25%) of the community would likely stay those being Rioters/LCS fanboys/girls Pro players streamers youtubers ect.

lyte is now trying to implement a fear of being punished or we dont get the rewards anymore (which is the only reason some people play the game for the free skin and cool border)

Finn Teh Human2 votes

I quit a game before because you'd literally get banned or punished for no reason.

Arcade Andrew2 votes

exactly people will quit this game if this happens

Finn Teh Human2 votes

I only got banned once, EVER. It was a 2 week ban. Honestly, everyone who was talking in chat (including myself) on my team should have been banned too because we were all toxic to each other. The thing is, I've changed. I never was toxic though, I would never cuss someone out and never have. However I did get mad when someone refused to work with me (which had happened in this situation). So now, months later, I am told that I would not get my banner/ victorious skin because of something I DID AND PAID FOR MONTHS AGO. I'm not only speaking for myself but for everyone who will suffer from this bs. I know a lot of people who use to be really toxic and who have reformed, but I also knew a lot of people who were toxic and never banned. Tell me Riot, is it fair to throw a man in prison, let him out when he has changed his ways, then throw him back in again? That's a big "fuck you" and you know it's wrong. I'd understand if it was for the REALLY REALLY toxic people, but it's not. This isn't gonna help ANYTHING, it's gonna make things worse. Cause y'know what? If I'm gonna pay for one little ban, then there's no need for me to be nice now is there?

Arcade Andrew2 votes

same here: as stated in my thread I used to be super toxic (using terms like niggers, faggots, cancershits, fuckstickassfuckers ect) I got banned for two weeks and ever since then IVE NEVER BEEN LIKE THAT EVER

Now Im just neutral but I have been punished for things like "please stop feeding" "what the fuck are you doing?" ect and I served my punishment (even if it was unjust) and to be punished again? its ridiculous

llBrangwenll2 votes

I have been playing the game since late season 3. I have never been banned or in other ways punished for bad behaviour, I actually never really flamed that much. But last week me and some friends played lots of drunken arams, I wasn't being racist, homophobic or attacking people personally. What I did was spam. A lot. Way too much. Stuff like "Not even close babyyy" when I survived with very little HP, etc etc. The things I said, I said for my own amusement as well as my friends, without really realizing someone got offended. I do think I deserved the chat restriction, I did behave like a douche and it's all good. However, I kinda feel a bit bad knowing that my last year of ranked games might be punished over a few days of drunken aram madness.

All said, I don't think this idea is bad, I will accept the punishment and it wont make me stop playing. But, this gives me absolutely no reason to behave better for the remainder of the season. I will however, in part due to my chat restriction (it made me realize someone got offended by my mindless spamming) but mainly because I don't want to be an asshole.

I do not think this has any effect on anyone, mainly because it's time of announcement, you can't add a new punishment and use it to punish people for something they did before knowing this was a possible punishment. Oh and also, we all did our time (ish) and should be considered free men. Let's not take this too far though, it's not decided so please don't troll ranked games just yet (or you know, don't do it, ever) let the punishment be announced officially first.

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Project Xero1 votes

the entire riot mods are hiding, unless they feel that the post is worth the time to answer or making a public annoucement. they are no where to be found more of then not when they do post, its only on threads they seem to pick blindfolded instead of the ones that really require attention. Now you have to go to reddit or god forbid, ask.fm just to talk to a rioter or get noticed. But if you go to reddit watch what you say, people who think riot can do no wrong will either jump down your throat or the moderator will delete your post after 2 or 3 minutes so it gets buried and ignored.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I find I get can easily get reported and banned for saying simple things like "please stop feeding sigh" or "why the fuck did you do that..?" and ive been punished for it

That isn't exactly the most helpful commentary. "Why the fuck did you do that?" doesn't help your team win. Talking about what your team did wrong is okay, but just being all like "Wtf man y u feeding I quit" doesn't help anything. Maybe say "Stay back in fights" if they're a carry and got picked off, or "Stay under turret and ward your area" if someone is feeding in lane. Being generally negative will not help your team. Just sitting there and tilting your teammates won't help anyone.

As a whole, I kinda agree, but I'm not sure if what Lyte said is actually staying around. He said something as an edit on ask.fm, but I didn't pay too much attention to it.

FirexSaber1 votes

http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131867181506

"I made a huge blunder earlier, then was on a flight so didn't have a chance to correct the post earlier. In the last season of Leagues play, we excluded some of the Ranked Rewards from players that were excessively toxic (so, exhibited severe offensive behaviors such as racism and sexism) or were persistently toxic (so, exhibited moderately offensive behaviors in a large number of games). We're going to continue this policy this year; however, there are some slight changes: One, we always want to encourage reform, and celebrate players that successfully reform by the end of the season. So, players that got a Chat or Ranked Restriction during the season, but manage to reform and DO NOT HAVE active Chat or Ranked Restrictions by the season end cutoff will still get their Ranked Rewards. Players that still have active Chat or Ranked Restrictions by the season end cutoff will not be eligible. Two, players that have received a few Low Priority Queues will still be eligible for Ranked Rewards because we do not want to punish players who may have gotten a few queues due to ISP or hardware issues; however, extremely chronic leavers that have left a huge fraction of their games or hundreds and hundreds of games will not receive Ranked Rewards. These are players that have ruined hundreds of thousands of games, and have had multiple 20 minute Low Priority Queues. Three, players that have received escalated bans (so 7-day or 14-day bans) for excessive toxicity at any point during the 2015 Season will not receive Ranked Rewards. Players that have received these types of bans have shown some of the most egregious behaviors in the game, and we have a zero tolerance policy against things like racism, sexism, homophobia and other kinds of hate speech. These players WILL be eligible for Ranked Rewards in future seasons if they reform and are not flagged for excessive behaviors in future seasons. Hope this clarifies a few things and sorry for the mashing of sentences in the earlier post. Good luck on the rest of the season!"

Arcade Andrew1 votes

The back peddle has begun!

Rueian1 votes

They wont back peddle, if you got suspended at any time you lost your rewards.

I'm waiting for my gun in the mail from riot games.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

I don't feel like the system punishes the true bad apples enough.

I see way too many in ranked. I had a game once where this guy said, "X or feed", after explaining to him that it isn't tolerated, he said, "IDC I won't get banned I need to pick up my kid in 20 mins so I'll carry." Riot should honestly do something about these champion select trolls. We need some way to combat them to cut back on toxicity. I am getting them so frequently lately that I know the system does not work. Dodging is not a great option, and they go unreported. Although I'm beginning to feel that does nothing for these type of toxic players.

Anyways he comes to my lane, steals my CS, finally he's convinced that he needs to go leave me alone. It's too late though, he's put us both behind significantly. His lane opponent begins to crush every single one of us after he feeds them. After all that he steals my kill, then leaves our team fights only to come back himself after we all died or left. The only reason he didn't die the most is because of his champion's invulnerability.

Our teammates starts telling him off, and I'm thinking to myself, "Who is going to be more likely to get banned?"

They are because the system is going to classify them as toxic, and not the guy who said "X or feed" in champion select and was trolling us the entire game. The guy who isn't going to get banned is the guy who is ruining our day, ruining our game, and holding us hostage. Why blame people for having a human reaction? I try my best not to react that way, because I've seen how the system works, but I can understand the frustration and need to vent. I should stress they didn't use hate speech or anything like that.

It's sad because I looked at his match history, and it appears like he does the same thing every game. All in ranked matches, and he plays a lot of ranked. He's not going to get banned, and he's likely going to get season rewards, because what? he didn't curse? I'm tired of it.

Until Riot cuts out the cause, then we're never going to have a positive environment. The fact that all the trolls I've run into are so blatant and confident that they won't get punished disgusts me. I've looked back on a few that truly were bad, and I still see them playing games. Some have fallen back into bronze, but that honestly just makes me feel sorry for people matched against bronze players.

I think Riot needs to understand they're supporting this kind of toxicity with their punishment system if they're trying to create a positive environment.

Thrëat1 votes

This is dumb, I'm going to lose rewards because people in this game are so sensitive they still can't leave their house without their mommies to guard them?

This is what got me a 14 day suspension:

Tempting, theirj ungler has been top like 3 times ( Was responding to team mates that were all saying we should just go AFK because the game was clearly a 4v5 since our jungler sat in the jungle. He didn't even know how farming the jungle worked, would constantly catch him AFKing at a dead camp waiting 30-40 seconds for it to respawn ) I had to look real fast to see who my jungler even was rofl lol I straight up give up I was tanking tower Lee backs off I can't take this game seriously ( After many many pings Lee finally came top, I had the enemy down to 50 HP, I went in and tanked tower, all Lee had to do was go in, hit the enemy once and W to me, but instead when I aggrod tower he backed off like he didn't understand how towers worked. This is in Diamond BTW) rofl All lee had to do was go in and auto 1 more time And I would have been happy But I'm so tilted from not having a jungler I love when people take my jungle and then literally do nothing useful k Ya, 56% winrate is bad after 300 games, right kid ( The Lee had time to alt tab and look up my stats on my main, since you know, he wasn't doing anything else any way ) I'm ready to surrender I don't care You are shit You have half the shyvanas farm Yet shyvana sits in lanes And you literally dont' gank How is shyv doubling your farm and doubling your ganks? Na, it isn't about being easy, it is about you not doing a single thing As a top laner I'm invovled in 3 kills You? 1 How do you only have 42 cs? While not ganking? Like seriously, I could have had double your CS if I was jungling agaisnt you And I would have ganked All lanes having to deal with enemy jungler While wondering where our jungler is? I am 20 Cs down You are 40 CS down. Our jungler is 4 levels behind theirs But doesn't think he is a useless piece of shit Their jungler actually went to lanes, gj You are involved in 2 kills as a jungler Me , 5 I could have hid in the jungle too and got under leveled and not died Doesn't takle skill to do taht bud So good at hiding in the jungle hoping to be carried Probably another silver kid that got boosted. Report lee

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