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Why is smurfing still allowed?

Arcade Andrew··20 votes·2,806 views

Because nothing ruins my game more than the enemy top lamer saying "Gg bronze noobs are so easy" followed by "sorry (insert me here) I'm a diamond smurf"

Or they say "your top got owned by a diamond smurf"

LIKE IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A BAD THING?! IM SORRY IM NOT AT DIAMOND SKILL YET!

40 Comments

IcyPepper10 votes

Some people want to play with their friends who just started.

Smurfing is fine. Smurfing and being an asshole about it is something else entirely.

MISTAFUNKTASTIC1 votes

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Some people want to play with their friends who just started.

Smurfing is fine. Smurfing and being an asshole about it is something else entirely.

This exactly!!

MCHotTub2 votes

Why do you need a smurf to play with friends?

MISTAFUNKTASTIC1 votes

Because I don't want to drag newbie friends into 1500 MMR games.... It'd be even worse for people rated plat and above with new friends.

BroLane5 votes

Smurfing should be perm. bannable.

coryls946 votes

if someone says they are smurfing they are not. Real smurfs will be in higher elo's than bronze and silver, and if they do manage to get placed into bronze or silver they will be out and on to gold or plat within a week. If you see someone ranked low silver/bronze say they are smurfing. just mute them and play the game.

People smurf because at super high elo, Diamond 2 or higher, there are not a lot of people to play against, so queue times are long and you play against the same people. They smurf to get to play the game, and since they are that good they usually get their smurf to high elo too, and the cycle repeats

Applesaucey2 votes

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if someone says they are smurfing they are not. Real smurfs will be in higher elo's than bronze and silver, and if they do manage to get placed into bronze or silver they will be out and on to gold or plat within a week. If you see someone ranked low silver/bronze say they are smurfing. just mute them and play the game.

People smurf because at super high elo, Diamond 2 or higher, there are not a lot of people to play against, so queue times are long and you play against the same people. They smurf to get to play the game, and since they are that good they usually get their smurf to high elo too, and the cycle repeats

Or you get the smurfs like i get on my team who do it and then just intentionally troll over and over and over, and riot doesnt do shit about it.

Troll Armada1 votes

this.

or they are delusional silver/golds playing in bronze. which is like someone in kindergarten making fun of someone in preschool.

PROJECT CANCSUO1 votes

Just stop talking.

Ward Baron5 votes

Riot approves of high elo players being allowed to easily pop in and shit all over low elo whenever they feel. The amount of players that smurf is endless and Riot makes sure to start them at the bottom and you know "the system over time will work them out" Well why is it over that time low elo players games have to suffer. Why not drop everyone in Diamond and let the system work it out? OH because their games are important and low elo players shouldn't expect to be treated equal.

Ionian1 votes

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Riot approves of high elo players being allowed to easily pop in and shit all over low elo whenever they feel. The amount of players that smurf is endless and Riot makes sure to start them at the bottom and you know "the system over time will work them out" Well why is it over that time low elo players games have to suffer. Why not drop everyone in Diamond and let the system work it out? OH because their games are important and low elo players shouldn't expect to be treated equal.

Because then you would be putting new players against Diamonds. They would be absolutely destroyed, get upset and most likely not want to play again. That would be a bad business strategy. Welcome to the real world mate.

And before you say that already happens: the smurf detection algorithm is actually pretty good and after only 2-3 games it will start placing you against other smurfs. Now lowering your mmr from diamond to pre-30 would take a TON of losses.

Ward Baron2 votes

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Because then you would be putting new players against Diamonds. They would be absolutely destroyed, get upset and most likely not want to play again. That would be a bad business strategy. Welcome to the real world mate.

And before you say that already happens: the smurf detection algorithm is actually pretty good and after only 2-3 games it will start placing you against other smurfs. Now lowering your mmr from diamond to pre-30 would take a TON of losses.

Woah your horses. I've watch many diamond players climb and we are talking about +100 games and most time spent in gold. That's if the smurf wants to try hard but actually most smurfs will just dumpster their MMR and like to hang around bronze/silver area. Once they system thinks your garbage it's so, so hard to recover.

Either way to be fair to any player and keep thinks equal I'd like the option to start in diamond. I'd have a blast, willing to bet I could hang around awhile and easily stay in plat. Systems works right so if I stay there no problem . Filtering complete.

HUNGRYMONST3R4 votes

Smurfing is not really a bad thing

  1. you get an experience playing with a skilled player,therefore learning something new.

2.you will "want" to ward.

  1. There are no concrete system to accurately detect a smurf account..we jave to wait till riot introduce fingerprint to log-in.(or something close)
Exalomaniac11 votes

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Smurfing is not really a bad thing

  1. you get an experience playing with a skilled player,therefore learning something new.

2.you will "want" to ward.

  1. There are no concrete system to accurately detect a smurf account..we jave to wait till riot introduce fingerprint to log-in.(or something close)

no and no.

when you play against someone where the skill differend is bronze to diamond, he will just stomp you and win the lane after 5 minutes. chances are, if he is a bronze player he wont be looking at what he could have done better, he will be confused and raging while blaming the jungler or somewhat.

why would you want to ward? lets say both are top lane and no jungler ganks occur for 6 minutes. warding will do nothing on the lane except being used in the bushes for winning a fight. warding will not have any changed viability on skill levels as wards are always important, and i dont think playing against someone who is better encourages you to ward in any way.

true that smurfing cant be prevented, but sometimes there are so many indicators for a smurf that there should be a report reason or something when its in a ranked game, especially when it was in a lower elo.

MCHotTub1 votes

Alt accounts shouldn't be banned, but people who intentionally throw provisional games or games in general so they can ruin others games should be addressed.

MCHotTub1 votes

If you want to play against a diverse amount of ranks in that sense you can get that in normals without damaging your elo and wasting time in a match that was designed for that rank.

lolptwo2 votes

Couple things here. You cannot stop smurfing. It's a free game, and they do not do IP Bans. Blame Riot for placing everyone in Silver after placement matches.

Also not all smurfs want to be smurfing, I was smurfing and I went 17-3 in 20 games. In Bronze and Silver, the only times I lost were because of extreme toxicity, AFK's, Trolls, and Ragers..I much rather have my 2nd account automatically put back up to Diamond where I don't have to deal with these people.

To me as someone who's smurfed, It's a completely different game that high elo. In high elo it is expected you know what you are doing. I can't just randomly pick Twitch ADC because I feel like having fun that game. If I do not know Twitch mechanics inside out I will be destroyed and lose LP and everything I worked for to get that high up.

I cannot take a chance at Top Lane against a Top Lane Riven main in Diamond. In high elo you either play normals or play seriously competitively. Also most high elo players are by nature competitive people which is why we are spending time to be so good at a random video game, even if it's a hobby or not, we like being good at things.

Normals are not competitive, and never will be. For a competitive person who's Diamond there's no satisfaction of winning a No Elo game where people aren't even trying because it's norms and nothing is at stake.

So we make smurfs, we play ranked and see low elos trying to piece together their useless builds, see the occasional good player who will rise up eventually, see people rage at nothing, AFK for no reason, Troll and idiots... and it's actually kind of funny to read their logic, especially with friends around., but hey, at least I can pick Twitch ADC and punish them for 30 LP because I'm going to win my lane regardless of what you play. Then watch then complain how Twitch is OP and I only won because i'm lucky and/or their team sucks.

Arcade Andrew2 votes

And this is why I hope you get banned and why it should be ban able "but hey at least I can pick twitch adc and punish them for 30Lp.... Then watch them complain..."

Purposely playing below your skill level just to have fun or shit on Them for your own enjoyment should be considered toxic and Bannable

lolptwo1 votes

Being good does not equate as being toxic, them being toxic is being toxic, and judging by the attitudes of most low elos, they need to get brought down to earth more than high elos, you can see prime examples here on the boards. Go look at most high rated aggressive boards posts calling Riot employees stupid. They are mostly Bronze or Silver, so for me to take an off meta champ and absolutely destroy them trying to counter pick me and an in meta champ then watch them make excuses is pure comedy gold and i'll never stop doing it..

High elos are constantly learning we know we're not good. Low elos think they are good and are toxic as fuck in chat yelling the wrong information lmao

Z Statistic2 votes

It isn't, but what are they going to do about it? It's not bad because they are trashtalking. For ranked players, getting matched vs diamonds is a great way to accelerate your learning. But not everyone who plays this game wants to climb the ladder. Sometimes, people just want to treat this like a pub match on Dustbowl, and why shouldn't they? That's what normals are for. They don't care about getting better. When THESE people get matched with diamonds, they just say, 'fuck this' and leave.

Thrëat1 votes

Yea, a system needs to be put in place so silvers stop getting paired up with diamonds. It isn't fun for anybody. :-)

Arcade Andrew1 votes

The pairings aren't the issue, it's an account that on their Main they are diamond+ and they intentionally make a new account and get placed in bronze five to easily shit on bad players for the sake of a stream or to say "elo hell doesn't exsist"

61939590DEL11 votes

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The pairings aren't the issue, it's an account that on their Main they are diamond+ and they intentionally make a new account and get placed in bronze five to easily shit on bad players for the sake of a stream or to say "elo hell doesn't exsist"

For these players that have a diamond+ accounts & can't move up anymore due to they suck still, making a smurf account to go rank all over again is such a waste of time, these typical teenagers need to wake up & face reality.

cele ducke guy1 votes

how do you propose they combat smurfing? retinal scan?

Filthy Wook1 votes

OK i just need to point out that in the situations you gave, it sounds like they are just boasting about being good (not actually diamond) and if they are, then they need a higher MMR and are probably at your level or near it if you are in the same matchmade game

dovahkiincutie1 votes

there is a lot of frustration here, but i would urge you to hear me out.

people have completely legitimate reasons to make smurf accounts outside of just stomping on people in lower levels/elo. like playing with their friends, trying out new things in ranked without affecting their main account, testing, etc. there are just a lot of reasons and not all of them are malicious.

second, placements aren't about your skill level. like any other sport where you have to climb a ladder, competition is a driving force. it wouldn't make any sense for people to start where they left off in a style of competition that is always changing. there were a ton of changes just within preseason and the start of the new season alone. placements are literally just a place for you to start out in the new season, they are not representative of your skill as a player. where you get to after placements as you climb - that's a different story.

Arcade Andrew2 votes

And those "reasons" should be punishable.

It should not be allowed to purposely make a new account and get placed super low in ranked, so you can Practice on lower levels. Want to practice? Go do norms or bots. Or custom games.

GRVet3ran0sS2 votes

You cant if you getbanned.

ADepressedLeona1 votes

What I never understood, is when a Diamond+ player loses against golds and lower and mouths off about how he's Diamond and we're all trash

Then go back to Diamond fool lol.

But in all seriousness, smurfing causes too many issues and honestly shouldn't be allowed in a game like this.

Wickedfates1 votes

what is upsetting you is a player bad mannering (BM).... riot wont take away toxicity completely as its in their best interest (profits) that they dont ban so many people.... smurfs are also in the best interest of riot ($$$)

more accounts means more $$ in different ways... why they also wont link accounts

agreed though.... they were a jerk and you should report them for beign a jerk... btut then, im not reporting people much anymore... i just dont see the point, nothing gets better

Ionian1 votes

Because people get tired of 30 min queue times on their main accounts.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

but it's fun

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

how would you stop it? there is no way

GRVet3ran0sS1 votes

If they didn't ban us we wouldn't smurf

Z Statistic1 votes

It technically isn't, but there's no way to reliably prove it or solve it.

i hate tryhards1 votes

Smurfing is good because it only increases Riot's player-count.

Vreivai1 votes

Dude this thread is from 3 years ago, and the last post was 9 months ago. If you're planning on replying to a thread, filter out anything older than a month when you search.

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