Zz'rot portal & Banner of command should work on Sion

Spoofghoul·Jan 27, 2016·4 votes·2,495 views

I don't want these items to be counterproductive on him

Its already bad enough your own minions start pushing when you are ahead which means less farm to scale your hp But when you fall behind you get zoned out of farm which also means less hp It sucks

You need that hp to compensate the abysmally low base stats 1784 health and 74 armor.

You already get punished hard by falling behind, and now with the recent changes you also get punished by getting ahead. its stupid but hey it is what it is. But then there is also items which hurt you when you buy them.

Come on At least let us Sion players gain health from minion/monsterkills made by these items

11 Comments

ErockandrollJan 27, 20162 votes

well technically Banner doesn't make any minions, it only enhances one of the present lane minions. Unless your saying the active screws with the abilities surrounding minion farm. (which actually is kinda bad, yet only happens once every 90 seconds. due to the item CD)

On a similar train of though, looking at portal. for sake of the argument, let's apply this to all effects to minion farm. (including champs like Nasus and Veigar.) Might that deter people from even picking up a portal? (an item which already has a poor pickup rate.)

Not only would it be bad for portal. But given it's poor pick rate, it wouldn't even help Sion 99% of the time. If you want to help Sion, you need changes that arn't designed to counter a specific item.

DeathBurstJan 27, 20162 votes

No, what he means is that, since you get the gold from the minions killed by the voidlings/promoted minion from those items, you should also get the HP from your W passive. If you get the gold, it means "you" kill the unit, so you should proc your passive and gain HPs too.

cuddlykitten4Jan 27, 20161 votes

You corrected him by reiterating what he said lol

ChewbaccasRearJan 27, 20161 votes

That actually do count to the stacks already.

DeathBurstJan 27, 20161 votes

I agree with you on principles, but in practice I never build these items on Sion.

SpoofghoulJan 27, 20161 votes

The question is would you if they worked with his passive?

DeathBurstJan 27, 20162 votes

No. Banner of Command doesn't provide enough durability, too much AP, and it's a self-less item. I prefer real Tank Items like Banshee or Spirit. ZZ'rot is more debatable, I may build it once every dozen of games in very specific circumstances, and in this case, the fact that Voidlings farm count for my HP or not wouldn't influence my decision.

BonipherusJan 27, 20161 votes

then item 3302 item 3097 item 3401 need to work too

SpoofghoulJan 27, 20161 votes

Yes they should indeed you feel so bad for cheating your support out of cannon minions or cheating sion out of hp because you took em its just silly

cuddlykitten4Jan 27, 20161 votes

You'd farm better if you'd give him a real damage item. The only things I see you give him that would help are hextech (not sure what that's all about), iceborn, and Titanic hydra. Iceborn requires ability use, and Titanic requires you to have health already. I did see a Black Cleaver in one, which is a good item. Where is your Ravenous? and your Maw? Your starter item should be a long sword, just like if you were playing a Nasus. You can compensate the rest on your first back with the extra hundreds of gold you got from having enough AD to kill the things for your stacks. Sion already gains health from the W passive so he tends to do better with a good chunk of AD hybrid items and lifesteal out the whazoo. Stack toons are my forte. This is how you go OP with them.