the "2 players" argument fails when you account for the fact that they are sharing the same resources. (e.g bottom lane is splitting them up, top lane is getting all the lane resources for himself)
assuming the game is rightly balanced a top lane and a bottom lane absorbing the same absolute value of gold and XP , a top laner should be equivalent or greater than a bot lane in a 1v2
in summary, support is overtuned, nerf their passive gold gen
webstar11088 votesNo tops should not be able to 2v1 unless they are huge. Tops like Darius, J4, Jax, Xin might be able to but if the support is a Raka, Janna, Morg, Thresh it would be very hard to 2v1 just because of adc kiting and peel fromsupport
Big Lincoln2 votesincorrect. Bot lane is 2 people and so should be treated like 1 person combined
It's time to end freelo bot meta
webstar11085 votesNotice the +4 vs your -2. I think is am in the right here. You are proposing a 4v4 game pretty much where bot lane is very weak until late. That would make NO ONE want to support or ADC.
Big Lincoln2 votes"my internet points means I'm right"
webstar11084 voteswell if it keeps going down yeaaaaaaaa
Ahristocats7 votesyou know it baffles me that a lvl 9 3/0 jax can't 1v2 a bot lane that is lvl 7
iBob4 votesYeah, early game top laners like Jax and Nasus really should be able to get that free double
ZJD1234 votesYeah, early game top laners like Jax and Nasus really should be able to get that free double
So in your sarcasm you are suggesting that those top laners shouldnt be able to contest bot lane early game , but then they contest bot lane late game either because... bot lane is currently uncontested late game if they have a hypercarry. So basically just never in your mind?
SmashinBob1 votesWhy would you be able or not to 1v2 them? and also if you are a fed jax and cant 1v2 whatever its sad, even though jax is more of a 1v1 champ anyways.
ForFoxSakes6 votesIt's not just about exp and gold. 2 people have double the abilities than 1 person. Doesnt matter if one guy has 0 gold and level 10. They can hit some CC or buff their ally to make the 1v2 that much harder
Mig895 votesYou have this backwards.
FOR JUSTICE5 votesSharing the same resources doesnt actually mean much, because the only "shared" resource is exp, to which supports scale much harder with. And you have to remember its still their 8 abilities vs your 4, with 1/2 of those 8 being utility of some sort, therefore a 1v2 in any situation is pretty much out of the question unless youre already huge.
saltran4 votesAlso double summoners spells, double runes, double gold per second (even ignoring supp items) while adc farms the same than a solo laner...
FOR JUSTICE2 votes^
Metal Janna5 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JTKfQGoB,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-16T14:09:55.025+0000)
the "2 players" argument fails when you account for the fact that they are sharing the same resources. (e.g bottom lane is splitting them up, top lane is getting all the lane resources for himself)
assuming the game is rightly balanced a top lane and a bottom lane absorbing the same absolute value of gold and XP , a top laner should be equivalent or greater than a bot lane in a 1v2
in summary, support is overtuned, nerf their passive gold gen
First of all, they aren't sharing the same resources. XP? Yes. Gold? No. Secondly, although they are each receiving half the minion farming XP, they are also getting twice as many kills as a solo laner if they are winning their lane, which means twice as much kill xp to share between them. So the total amount of xp to be gained in the duo lane is greater than "one lane's worth of xp, divided by 2".
This is a good thing. Who would ever play support or ADC if they each only got 50% of the agency a solo laner would? Each player having roughly the same power to determine the course of the game is called balanced design.
Besides that, your math is flawed. You forgot to factor in the hidden teamwork modifier to combat effectiveness. In team games, 50% plus 50% is not 100%. It could be anywhere from 110% to 200% depending on factors like how important teamwork is supposed to be in this game and how well the team players cooperate. If you want to out-duel two players who are each half as strong as you are, you better get a good setup, because you're not up against an equal force. You are up against a superior force. Assuming no advantages to either side, the superior force will most likely win. This is also balanced because the reward is TWO kills, not one. Higher rewards should come with higher risks.
You should absolutely be able to 1v1 either botlaner with a good setup, but you should not be able to 1v2 them both unless you are massively ahead or timed your gank or roam to take advantage of a vulnerable period (like during drake or while they're trying to back with low hp).
Dasdi963 votesYeah, support income was most balanced around season 4. They had enough income to actually get items, but did not have bullshit overpowered items like ardent and knights vow.
Hügö1 votesSo we just nerf all supports and marksmen by 50% so now they are together like 1 lane [sg-miss-fortune]
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesLol what the actual fuck did I read?